Mal: Does.. um.. does this seem kind of tight? Kaylee: Shows off your backside.

'Shindig'


Spike's Bitches 23: We've mastered the power of positive giving up.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


brenda m - Apr 19, 2005 1:05:41 pm PDT #4471 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I have brownie mix.

No thanks for reminding me of that, though.

Ummm, love blondies too.


erikaj - Apr 19, 2005 1:08:59 pm PDT #4472 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

No chocolate craving. Weird. But I did teach somebody, via my Secret Literary Boyfriend, the Greek for "pussy" today. So I guess it was good I got up this morning, if not in a "Dear Diary" sort of way.


Gris - Apr 19, 2005 1:23:53 pm PDT #4473 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Too bad I went to sleep before getting your guys' responses about the whole Rory = slut thing. Still gonna respond, though it's been a while.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like much about Rory this season at all, and I really don't like that they had her have an affair with a married man. Especially a man who got married pretty much to spite her, from what I can tell. It was selfish, stupid, ill-advised, completely evil and unfair to poor little Lindsay, and should have screwed her over a lot more than it did.

But it's not like she cheerfully continued screwing him behind his wife's back for months or years. She had sex with him twice, in a two-day period, in the heat of passion or whatever-the-hell. Lack of self-control? Sure. Incredibly slutty behavior? I don't think so. The term "slut" seems to imply to me that she would feel no remorse for her behavior and, no matter what she said to Lorelai about it, she clearly did. She ran away to Europe for two months with Emily, for God's sake, just to pull herself away from the situation! If I had found myself in such a screwed-up mess, my response would be something similar. Take myself away from it so I can get perspective and then act.

And she acted correctly. She tried to pull out, to end the illicit affair. The exact results? Not good, clearly. But if the letter had not been found, Dean would have either split or not, his own decision.

Maybe the strength of my reaction is purely because I don't understand the term "slut." Some dictionaries say it can mean simply "an adulterous woman" which I suppose Rory fits. But then the girls that get called "sluts" in high school aren't, because the football team, generally, isn't married. The term "slut", to me, has come to be synonymous with "sexual manipulator" or at least "shamefully easy" (only with even more disdain and judgmentalism - God, I really hate the word) and I don't believe that Rory fits those meanings.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:27:27 pm PDT #4474 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's no correlation for me between "slut" and "sexual manipulator." To me it means "person who boinks with people they shouldn't have sex with."

So Rory was a slut.

A man who bangs a married woman and is even momentarily defiant about it is a slut in my book too.


Gris - Apr 19, 2005 1:31:00 pm PDT #4475 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Huh. Okay. Fair, then.

So the mislabelling is actually those girls in high school? Because, you know, much as I find it distasteful, having a who-can-give-the-most-blowjobs-to-football-players contest isn't really something I would actually qualify as "shouldn't".

As for the man thing: I'm sure you do think that. It's one of the reasons I love this board and the people on it. But I'm sure that if Dean were the main character, "Dean is a big fat slut" would not have become a major internet expression, you know?


Betsy HP - Apr 19, 2005 1:31:47 pm PDT #4476 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

To me it means "person who boinks with people they shouldn't have sex with."

Huh. To me it's all about frequency.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:33:46 pm PDT #4477 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me it's all about frequency.

If I have sex once every three hours with the same guy does that make me a slut?

Gris -- I do think the blowing the players is basically slutty, just as I'd think eating the cheerleaders was.


JZ - Apr 19, 2005 1:41:22 pm PDT #4478 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

To me it's about indiscriminate boinkage - a consistent lack of regard for niceties of place, time, partner. Two partners in a year doesn't even begin to ping my slutometer, not even if one of them is married. Especially if it only happened twice and she physically fled the continent to get away from it. Spectacularly bad judgment, yes; sluttery, no.

Of course, I speak as someone who (a) has seen exactly one episode of GG ever, and (b) has the same visceral squick about the word slut as Gris. Buffistas aside, it's very much treated in the big wide world as a punishing label for girls who openly like sex.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:44:34 pm PDT #4479 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I feel weird being on the more conservative side of the term, since I got no problem with casual sex.

But hey. I don't feel being called a slut is life-ending either, so that may be it. I've been called it before, I'll probably be called it again.


Betsy HP - Apr 19, 2005 1:45:28 pm PDT #4480 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

JZ got it much better than I did.