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Spike's Bitches 23: We've mastered the power of positive giving up.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:27:27 pm PDT #4474 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There's no correlation for me between "slut" and "sexual manipulator." To me it means "person who boinks with people they shouldn't have sex with."

So Rory was a slut.

A man who bangs a married woman and is even momentarily defiant about it is a slut in my book too.


Gris - Apr 19, 2005 1:31:00 pm PDT #4475 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Huh. Okay. Fair, then.

So the mislabelling is actually those girls in high school? Because, you know, much as I find it distasteful, having a who-can-give-the-most-blowjobs-to-football-players contest isn't really something I would actually qualify as "shouldn't".

As for the man thing: I'm sure you do think that. It's one of the reasons I love this board and the people on it. But I'm sure that if Dean were the main character, "Dean is a big fat slut" would not have become a major internet expression, you know?


Betsy HP - Apr 19, 2005 1:31:47 pm PDT #4476 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

To me it means "person who boinks with people they shouldn't have sex with."

Huh. To me it's all about frequency.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:33:46 pm PDT #4477 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

To me it's all about frequency.

If I have sex once every three hours with the same guy does that make me a slut?

Gris -- I do think the blowing the players is basically slutty, just as I'd think eating the cheerleaders was.


JZ - Apr 19, 2005 1:41:22 pm PDT #4478 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

To me it's about indiscriminate boinkage - a consistent lack of regard for niceties of place, time, partner. Two partners in a year doesn't even begin to ping my slutometer, not even if one of them is married. Especially if it only happened twice and she physically fled the continent to get away from it. Spectacularly bad judgment, yes; sluttery, no.

Of course, I speak as someone who (a) has seen exactly one episode of GG ever, and (b) has the same visceral squick about the word slut as Gris. Buffistas aside, it's very much treated in the big wide world as a punishing label for girls who openly like sex.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:44:34 pm PDT #4479 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I feel weird being on the more conservative side of the term, since I got no problem with casual sex.

But hey. I don't feel being called a slut is life-ending either, so that may be it. I've been called it before, I'll probably be called it again.


Betsy HP - Apr 19, 2005 1:45:28 pm PDT #4480 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

JZ got it much better than I did.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 19, 2005 1:50:59 pm PDT #4481 of 10001
What is even happening?

Slut is just a word used to insult women for being sexual beings. I try not to use it. I itch when I see it. There's no masculine counterpart that carries the same sting, because of broader sexual...I don't even want to call them mores--opinions, maybe?

Anyhow, I'm agin it, and I'm for Gris, if he's anti-it.


Karl - Apr 19, 2005 1:52:10 pm PDT #4482 of 10001
I adore all you motherfuckers so much -- PMM.

Holy cats, Bob Harris knows Robin/Scrappy? He just got so much cooler in my book.

(Robin, of course, can get no cooler, having reached the top of my personal Cool Food Chain.)


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 1:56:07 pm PDT #4483 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Huh. I have never hesitated to call a man a slut. Did so this weekend, in fact, quite a few times. I'm also fond of the term man-whore.