See, in my fantasy, when I'm kissing you... you're kissing me. It's okay. I can wait.

Oz ,'First Date'


Spike's Bitches 23: We've mastered the power of positive giving up.  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


tommyrot - Apr 13, 2005 11:54:55 am PDT #3184 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Maybe the 10 9 men went off and formed a gay commune.


Gudanov - Apr 13, 2005 11:55:00 am PDT #3185 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I was taught that Adam & Eve were the first, but not necessarily the only, humans. So, their kids could have married the others.

There is a version I've heard that Adam & Eve were the first "true" humans in the sense that they had a soul, but other non-human humans where around.


Trudy Booth - Apr 13, 2005 11:55:16 am PDT #3186 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I had serious issues with Lot that were never answered either. I would argue that Lot tried to pimp out his daughters, but be told that "no, Lot knew that they only wanted the angels so his daughters were safe." Which is still icky because he's offering them up. Then he and his daugthers live, go hide in a cave, where he's daughters get him drunk and jump him so they can have kids.

And this guy was spared?

The "the Bible isn't anti-gay" crowd will tell you that the sin of Sodom was their lack of hospitality... that the code of life in the desert was such that hospitality was essential for survival of the culture and once you offered someone shelter in your home their protection was even more important than the financial hit you would take if you couldn't marry off your daughters because they weren't virgins anymore (having been raped by an ugly mob and all).

And there is an "echo" of Abraham's willingness to sacrifice Isaac. It's fun to look for those allusions and view the stories accordingly (particularly on the theory that that is what the original hearers would have been doing).


tommyrot - Apr 13, 2005 11:55:44 am PDT #3187 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think that might be where the giants came in.

I never heard about the giants, and we were raised with a literal interpretation of the Bible.


Gudanov - Apr 13, 2005 11:55:56 am PDT #3188 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I think that might be where the giants came in.

So you're saying that size really does matter.


The Universe - Apr 13, 2005 11:57:23 am PDT #3189 of 10001
Words are flowing out like /endless rain into a paper cup / They slither while they pass / They slip away across... me

I think that might be where the giants came in.

Well, they might be giants.


Sparky1 - Apr 13, 2005 11:57:24 am PDT #3190 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

Adam and Eve had 33 sons and 23 daughters

And now I have to go figure out just how many years Eve spent pregnant... (42! The Answer!)

Meanwhile, a good friend has handed in her notice to her Big Law Firm. There's one less corporate lawyer in the world, and one more happy woman.

My sister sent pictures of the new Boston Terrier puppy that will join her household in May, and I'm jealous. Now she has two dogs, and I have none. Pfft.


tommyrot - Apr 13, 2005 11:57:33 am PDT #3191 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I think that might be where the giants came in.

So you're saying that size really does matter.

Or else they had baseball much earlier than we thougth.


Betsy HP - Apr 13, 2005 11:58:31 am PDT #3192 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Okay, here's the Straight Dope:

When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. The Lord said, "My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also after that, when the sons of God cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were the heroes of old, the men of renown.

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The key issue is how do you translate "Nephilim". The KJV makes it "There were giants in the earth in those days."


Gudanov - Apr 13, 2005 11:59:02 am PDT #3193 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

And now I have to go figure out just how many years Eve spent pregnant... (42! The Answer!)

You know when you live to 800 or so, that isn't all that bad.