Bunnies frighten me.

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Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Apr 19, 2005 8:19:26 am PDT #6967 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

eta: And what everyone else said about the Hitler Youth. He had no choice.

Doesn't make him a good guy. He's opposed to liberation theology, and has warned pro-liberation theology priests against preaching the Gospel with "Marxist overtones."

In 1986 Ratzinger issued a letter to the Catholic Bishops in which he wrote that homosexuality was a tendency towards an intrinsic moral evil. A few years later, in 1992, he rejected the notion of human rights for gays, stressing that their civil liberties could be "legitimately limited."

So, okay. He went along with the crowd with the whole Hitler Youth thing. That was a long time ago. But what he's done recently is even scarier. The dude was, until today, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was formerly known as the Inquisition.

That's just....neat.


Strix - Apr 19, 2005 8:19:44 am PDT #6968 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I'm not sure that any of that makes him a bad person, but you'd like to think that someone who is going to be a spiritual leader, arbiter of morality, & so on etc. would have a bit more courage in the face of evil, you know?

At 16?

I'm not going to harsh on him for his adolescence; it's the adult choices and the archconservativism that gets me.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 8:20:39 am PDT #6969 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a bit more courage in the face of evil, you know?

A bit more courage than what? Than complying with mandatory order?

I have no dog in this race, but he was 12 when the war started.


brenda m - Apr 19, 2005 8:20:43 am PDT #6970 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't think you can assume that he was a raging Nazi. *

[Eta, like Betsy I'm more concerned with his recent activities, which are bad enough.]

OTOH, the fact that membership was mandatory doesn't mean that he was in HY against his will, either.

I'd like to know more, and hopefully will be able to find it.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 8:21:29 am PDT #6971 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Doesn't make him a good guy.

Yeah, but it also doesn't make him a Nazi. There's the whole Godwin's law thing to watch out for, after all.


Gudanov - Apr 19, 2005 8:22:19 am PDT #6972 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

OTOH, the fact that membership was mandatory doesn't mean that he was in HY against his will, either.

But at his age, in that atmosphere, I don't think you can draw any conclusions from that.


Trudy Booth - Apr 19, 2005 8:22:35 am PDT #6973 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Ratzinger was in the Hitler Youth. For real.

When you're surrounded by mad dogs, not smelling like a rabbit is not stupid.

Sure, but when you have a hundred some-odd "in no way EVER Nazis" candidates mebbe go with one of them?


Steph L. - Apr 19, 2005 8:22:41 am PDT #6974 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Doesn't make him a good guy.

Yeah, but it does make him not a Nazi.

I rescind my Nazi labelling of him, and forthwith shall refer to him as a Scary-Ass Bigoted Zealot.


Jesse - Apr 19, 2005 8:22:54 am PDT #6975 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So, okay. He went along with the crowd with the whole Hitler Youth thing. That was a long time ago. But what he's done recently is even scarier. The dude was, until today, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was formerly known as the Inquisition.

This is why there are 'better' things to call him than "Nazi." It's too kneejerk, true or not.


Gudanov - Apr 19, 2005 8:23:32 am PDT #6976 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I rescind my Nazi labelling of him, and forthwith shall refer to him as a Scary-Ass Bigoted Zealot.

That's more fair.