Yeah, I could do that, but I'm paralyzed with not caring very much.

Spike ,'Showtime'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DXMachina - Apr 19, 2005 8:10:15 am PDT #6960 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

John Garfield was the victim of an assassination attempt, too. Sorry, that one succeeded, right?

James Garfield. John was an actor in the forties. Someone took some shots at Truman, too.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't calling him a Nazi a little unfair? He was just in the army; he wasn't a member of the Nazi party. eta: (I think)

Also, he was only eighteen when the war ended. The Germans had a lot of kids in the army near the end.

eta: And what everyone else said about the Hitler Youth. He had no choice.


Betsy HP - Apr 19, 2005 8:10:40 am PDT #6961 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

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The Cardinal warned that heavy metal music was particularly offensive, and branded rock n' roll an "instrument of the Devil" which young people should avoid listening to "for fear of endangering their souls (London Times)." He singled out musical groups, including Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Eagles and, of course, the Rolling Stones. He also called on members of heavy metal bands to "purify themselves."

In 1996. In 1996, he's warning us against Queen. The horse isn't just out the barn door, it's gone to the knacker's and is currently gluing the back of an envelope in Peoria.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 8:11:10 am PDT #6962 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Quick googling implies that membership in Hitler Youth was mandatory at the time.


tommyrot - Apr 19, 2005 8:11:46 am PDT #6963 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I assume that most Germans of a certain age can be described as being on the German side of the war.

Well, I'm taking "Nazi" to mean a member of the Nazi party. Or is the term generally used to describe all Germans who supported the war? (not being sarcastic)


bon bon - Apr 19, 2005 8:13:31 am PDT #6964 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Well, I'm taking "Nazi" to mean a member of the Nazi party. Or is the term generally used to describe all Germans who supported the war? (not being sarcastic)

Actually, I'm not disagreeing with you here, just hedging my bets as to exactly what he did that is offensive.


Daisy Jane - Apr 19, 2005 8:17:46 am PDT #6965 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I'm not sure that any of that makes him a bad person, but you'd like to think that someone who is going to be a spiritual leader, arbiter of morality, & so on etc. would have a bit more courage in the face of evil, you know?


Cashmere - Apr 19, 2005 8:17:59 am PDT #6966 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

James Garfield. John was an actor in the forties. Someone took some shots at Truman, too.

That's what I get for not googling.


Steph L. - Apr 19, 2005 8:19:26 am PDT #6967 of 10001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

eta: And what everyone else said about the Hitler Youth. He had no choice.

Doesn't make him a good guy. He's opposed to liberation theology, and has warned pro-liberation theology priests against preaching the Gospel with "Marxist overtones."

In 1986 Ratzinger issued a letter to the Catholic Bishops in which he wrote that homosexuality was a tendency towards an intrinsic moral evil. A few years later, in 1992, he rejected the notion of human rights for gays, stressing that their civil liberties could be "legitimately limited."

So, okay. He went along with the crowd with the whole Hitler Youth thing. That was a long time ago. But what he's done recently is even scarier. The dude was, until today, head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which was formerly known as the Inquisition.

That's just....neat.


Strix - Apr 19, 2005 8:19:44 am PDT #6968 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I'm not sure that any of that makes him a bad person, but you'd like to think that someone who is going to be a spiritual leader, arbiter of morality, & so on etc. would have a bit more courage in the face of evil, you know?

At 16?

I'm not going to harsh on him for his adolescence; it's the adult choices and the archconservativism that gets me.


§ ita § - Apr 19, 2005 8:20:39 am PDT #6969 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a bit more courage in the face of evil, you know?

A bit more courage than what? Than complying with mandatory order?

I have no dog in this race, but he was 12 when the war started.