That Hideous Strength, published in 1945, explicitly describes birth control as a tool of Satan.
She ain't movin'. Serenity's not movin'.
Kaylee ,'Out Of Gas'
Natter 34: Freak With No Name
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:27:09 am PDT #4661 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Aims - Apr 11, 2005 9:28:02 am PDT #4662 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.
That Hideous Strength, published in 1945, explicitly describes birth control as a tool of Satan.
And yet, for some, it is an obvious Act of God.
DavidS - Apr 11, 2005 9:29:21 am PDT #4663 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
"Narnia" is Natter Discussion 412, right? 480 maybe? Something in the fours...
Specifically, #418, Narnia and Lewis' Depiction of Susan
Not that I mind it. It's a rewarding conversation every time, and mildly reassuring that it returns like the swallows to Capistrano.
Wishing all kinds of good health and good fortune for Jeff Mejia. JZ gave me the lowdown on his condition, and it's pretty dangerous.
DavidS - Apr 11, 2005 9:31:09 am PDT #4664 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Things that smell good: band-aids.
Things that smell bad: old motor oil.
People Who Look Cool Smoking: Jesse.
People Who Make Me Happy With Their Quitting: Jesse, Cindy, vw, Emily, Aimee...
JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:31:27 am PDT #4665 of 10001
I can't even.
CS Lewis was almost exactly a contemporary of Edna St. Vincent Millay -- she was 5 years older or so.
Didn't she live in America? Did she write about being denied pints and pipes with old dons at Oxford?
That Hideous Strength, published in 1945, explicitly describes birth control as a tool of Satan.
Wasn't Lewis a Catholic?
Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:32:17 am PDT #4666 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Didn't she live in America?
Yes.
Did she write about being denied pints and pipes with old dons at Oxford?
No idea.
Susan W. - Apr 11, 2005 9:33:10 am PDT #4667 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights
Wasn't Lewis a Catholic?
No, he was Anglican.
Topic!Cindy - Apr 11, 2005 9:34:28 am PDT #4668 of 10001
What is even happening?
Lewis and Tolkien lived through the suffragette movement, through the creation of women's colleges at Oxford, and through the enormous social changes of the 1920s and 1930s. They were at some pains to acknowledge none of the above.I can't speak to Tolkien, but I'm not sure Lewis didn't. For all that Susan is the most shallow of the Pevensie children, Lucy is the most noble, heroic, and faithful. Besides which, I never once took that the boys and lipstick which served as her particular distraction were significant because they were girlie things. It always read to me as if they signified worldliness, not girl cooties.
By the way, I do not mean to say that it is unlikely that this man who lost his mother while still very young, and didn't marry until he was into his 50s didn't have women-issues. I just don't think there's much odd/weird/wrong about men born at the end of the 1800s being part of a men's group, in the Inkling years. Lewis made a revision to Miracles, based on the critique of a woman, and although a product of him time and circumstance, I don't see any real evidence of woman hating going on. His eventual marriage to Joy Gresham, only happened because first they had a friendly correspondence.
Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:35:11 am PDT #4669 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
He was, in fact, rather anti-Catholic; his friendship with Tolkien foundered on his contempt for Tolkien's religion.
Nutty - Apr 11, 2005 9:35:56 am PDT #4670 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
C. S. Lewis: keepin' it real for bitter old men since he was a young man.
Personally, I always thought it was the underlying 'tude rather than the specific points of doctrine/politics on which we can cast aspersions. Lewis got some kind of psychological charge out of being too old-world for the brave new world, you know? Tolkien, same deal, although he managed to create a whole different old world, rather than to oldify this one.
In sum, I think 'oldify' needs to be a real world.
In other news, the Red Sox are handing out rings Right Now and I am not in a position to receive one. (Nor, for that matter, to watch them handed out to other people, except on television, which, muted on a computer in one's cube, not especially special.)