I just think you're freakin' out 'cause you have to fight someone prettier than you.

Dawn ,'The Killer In Me'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Nutty - Apr 11, 2005 9:35:56 am PDT #4670 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

C. S. Lewis: keepin' it real for bitter old men since he was a young man.

Personally, I always thought it was the underlying 'tude rather than the specific points of doctrine/politics on which we can cast aspersions. Lewis got some kind of psychological charge out of being too old-world for the brave new world, you know? Tolkien, same deal, although he managed to create a whole different old world, rather than to oldify this one.

In sum, I think 'oldify' needs to be a real world.

In other news, the Red Sox are handing out rings Right Now and I am not in a position to receive one. (Nor, for that matter, to watch them handed out to other people, except on television, which, muted on a computer in one's cube, not especially special.)


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:36:09 am PDT #4671 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I just don't think there's much odd/weird/wrong

I have never said it was odd or weird or wrong. In fact, I started by saying that it's typical of their class and age.

What I do say, and will continue to say, is that it annoys me, just as the anti-semitic stereotyping in Sayers annoys me.


Kathy A - Apr 11, 2005 9:36:55 am PDT #4672 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Tolkien was the Catholic.

Speaking of times changing and smoking, I just remembered candy cigarettes, which were very popular when I was very young (before 1975, for sure, and probably earlier). Now, what kind of message did those send? I'm surprised the smoking rate for Gen X isn't higher than it is.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 9:37:57 am PDT #4673 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Lewis got some kind of psychological charge out of being too old-world for the brave new world, you know? Tolkien, same deal, although he managed to create a whole different old world, rather than to oldify this one.

Precisely.


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 9:38:46 am PDT #4674 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I just remembered candy cigarettes,

I remember when they stopped having the "good" ones -- which had powdered sugar that you could puff out -- and I don't remember much prior to 1978 or so.


-t - Apr 11, 2005 9:39:32 am PDT #4675 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I loved candy cigarettes. We used to get them at the bowling alley. Which would have been when my mom was in a bowling league, so late 70s, maybe early early 80s. (eta: ooh, I never even knew about the puffy ones. Jealous)


brenda m - Apr 11, 2005 9:41:06 am PDT #4676 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I'm surprised the smoking rate for Gen X isn't higher than it is.

I think those were gone by the time Gen Xers really started hitting the ground. By the early 80s, anyway.


DebetEsse - Apr 11, 2005 9:41:17 am PDT #4677 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

They had them into the late 80s.


Kate P. - Apr 11, 2005 9:41:45 am PDT #4678 of 10001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Yeah, I definitely remember candy cigarettes from the late 80s.


JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 9:43:34 am PDT #4679 of 10001
I can't even.

He was, in fact, rather anti-Catholic; his friendship with Tolkien foundered on his contempt for Tolkien's religion.

Ah, yup. Today's Anglican church is a different institution than 1945's version, up here, anyway.

What I do say, and will continue to say, is that it annoys me, just as the anti-semitic stereotyping in Sayers annoys me.

I've never questioned that. I think part of the underlying back and forth of this discussion is the question of whether there is any relevance to today's society and individuals of what these old fogies wrote and I would suggest that of course there is, but their writing has to be considered in context and absorbed by an active reader, like any work.