I'm a single undead gal trying to make it in the big city. I have to start somewhere and they're evil here. They don't judge. They've got necro-tempered glass. No burning up. A great medical plan, and who needs dental more than us?

Harmony ,'Conviction (1)'


Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Susan W. - Apr 11, 2005 8:30:49 am PDT #4617 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

What I object to is that most of the symptoms of her decay seem to be associated with girl cooties. She doesn't just deny Narnia -- she talks about boys and makeup! Ooh, ick!

That, I'll admit, is a Lewis Thing, and if I could go back in time and be in his writers group (and how cool would THAT be?), I'd call him on it. But still, I read Susan's problem as more about vanity, pride, doubt, and fear than being a girly girl per se.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 11, 2005 8:31:34 am PDT #4618 of 10001
What is even happening?

See, I've always read it that her sin wasn't so much growing up as growing up in such a way that the worst characteristics of the child Susan we see in the early books were strengthened rather than controlled or outgrown. Which works for me, because I do see it as a natural outgrowth of who she was in the early books.

That's how I read it. Also, I've never felt her fate was finalized.


bon bon - Apr 11, 2005 8:31:54 am PDT #4619 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I'm having this crazy good mozzarella/tomato/basil pizza from Pax Food. OMG it is so buttery good.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 8:33:46 am PDT #4620 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

if I could go back in time and be in his writers group

Fat. Chance.

This is my big issue with the Inklings -- they have all the worst characteristics of their nation, class, and period. There is no alternate universe conceivable in which women are allowed to drink beer and smoke pipes with them; in such a universe, they aren't the Inklings any more.


Topic!Cindy - Apr 11, 2005 8:34:58 am PDT #4621 of 10001
What is even happening?

This is my big issue with the Inklings -- they have all the worst characteristics of the English intellectual classes. There is no alternate universe conceivable in which women are allowed to drink beer and smoke pipes with them; in such a universe, they aren't the Inklings any more.
So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?


Jesse - Apr 11, 2005 8:44:43 am PDT #4622 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was published in 1950. It's not like it's from 1850.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 8:46:42 am PDT #4623 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So basically, your biggest issue is the times and circumstances of the culture into which they were born?

Yip.


JohnSweden - Apr 11, 2005 8:48:08 am PDT #4624 of 10001
I can't even.

The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe was published in 1950. It's not like it's from 1850.

Relevance?

Clive Staples Lewis, Jack to his friends, was born in Belfast on 29 November 1898. A solicitor's son, educated mostly in England, he won a classical scholarship to Oxford University in 1916.


Laura - Apr 11, 2005 8:49:33 am PDT #4625 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I got a note from Jeff Mejia's sister Jodi. He is getting some super-duper kidney treatment they hope will get his kidney to function properly. They are in wait and see mode. He doesn't have internet access, but the hospital has a mail interface where he can get messages. [link]

My mother and step-father are expected shortly so showering is the plan now.


Kathy A - Apr 11, 2005 8:50:19 am PDT #4626 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The Inklings, and their co-horts, were the last vestiges of Victorian/Edwardian writers. They reveled in their non-modernity and rejected the new stuff (JRRT was notorious in his dislike of television, and even though he had a car while his kids were still living at home, he got rid of it during WWII or right after, and never bought another).