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Natter 34: Freak With No Name  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Apr 11, 2005 7:58:36 am PDT #4604 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I've not eaten yet, but we're on Between Paychecks rations. Optimistic, nsm.


-t - Apr 11, 2005 8:08:34 am PDT #4605 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Everyone's lunches sound so good. I had LeanCuisine Lasagna with Chicken Scallopini, which was okay but takes 10 minutes to heat up (no big deal at home, but I felt like I needed to apologize to everyone I share the microwave with for having such a slow lunch today), and am in the process of having some salad, and will finish off with strawberry yogurt. It is, oddly, way more food than I eat when I am not dieting.


Susan W. - Apr 11, 2005 8:10:04 am PDT #4606 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Susan in the Narnia Chronicles turned out to be lame -- but she really WAS screwed over by Lewis.

Well, we could argue that all day. Suffice it to say I've never had the hatred for Susan's fate that it seems the majority of readers do, maybe because I always identified most with Aravis or Jill.

But in general....I have a character, Sebastian, who in my first novel appears fairly sympathetic, since he's the only member of the heroine's family who was kind to her as a child. In fact, some of my early readers were disappointed he wasn't the hero--I had to deliberately play up his rigid and pompous side. But in my wip, which opens two years after the first book, we discover that Sebastian has been making his wife's life a living hell, because circumstances made his rigid, pompous side take over completely, with an added side of judgmentalism and misogyny. Did I screw over Sebastian by turning him into a villain? I don't think so--the seeds were there in the first book if you paid attention, and, besides, he's my creation. I'd say the same for Susan's character arc in the Narnia books.


Trudy Booth - Apr 11, 2005 8:17:32 am PDT #4607 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'd say the same for Susan's character arc in the Narnia books.

It just seemed like her main sin was growing up is all.

I'm not all that committed to it, frankly, just trying to be Pro Fictional Susan.


Gris - Apr 11, 2005 8:21:50 am PDT #4608 of 10001
Hey. New board.

I never saw Susan as a bad character, or anything. All of them lost their connection to Narnia in the long run, if I recall.

It's a land that belongs to our children, as they are the only people with Magic In Their Hearts (tm).

But then, it's been awhile since I read the series. I could be wrong. Maybe she was pure evil.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 8:21:59 am PDT #4609 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I don't object to Susan's decay. What I object to is that most of the symptoms of her decay seem to be associated with girl cooties. She doesn't just deny Narnia -- she talks about boys and makeup! Ooh, ick!


Susan W. - Apr 11, 2005 8:22:08 am PDT #4610 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

It just seemed like her main sin was growing up is all.

See, I've always read it that her sin wasn't so much growing up as growing up in such a way that the worst characteristics of the child Susan we see in the early books were strengthened rather than controlled or outgrown. Which works for me, because I do see it as a natural outgrowth of who she was in the early books.


Betsy HP - Apr 11, 2005 8:22:27 am PDT #4611 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

. All of them lost their connection to Narnia in the long run, if I recall.

Nope. Everybody except Susan dies and goes to Narnia.


Gris - Apr 11, 2005 8:22:51 am PDT #4612 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Wow. Need to re-read, clearly.


Gris - Apr 11, 2005 8:24:09 am PDT #4613 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Well, anyway, Narnia was totally overrated anyway. I wouldn't want to live there.

I like makeup and boys. And girls. And computers.