Who greenlighted this, and would they like a blowjob?
I believe that's my hey. Hey!
Xander ,'Storyteller'
Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video
A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 22, 2005 3:58:24 pm PDT #4529 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
sumi - Jun 22, 2005 5:15:05 pm PDT #4530 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!
Ooh, and here I was thinking that Clive shouldn't play costume drama earlier than the 20th century.
Jim - Jun 22, 2005 10:25:58 pm PDT #4531 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Sir Walter Raleigh was not a fucking cockney.
§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 3:55:11 am PDT #4532 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
And Queen Elizabeth I wasn't a fucking Aussie.
Jim - Jun 23, 2005 3:59:25 am PDT #4533 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Yeah, but Cate is at least prepared to make a stab at an accent. Owen will just be Chancer in a ruff. Chancer was a great show, but Owen has been playing precisely the same character since.
Jim - Jun 23, 2005 4:01:17 am PDT #4534 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Which is fine, you know - Connery is always Connery, Clint always Clint - but you need to fit that kind of Star into the right role. Otherwise you get the horrors of the days when Bruce Willis used to try and stretch himself, and no-one wants that.
§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 4:01:29 am PDT #4535 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Has he been asked to play any different characters? I mean, is the repetition because he can't do it, or because people loved what they saw once, and keep casting him in similar sorts of roles?
Cate's a brilliant chameleon. I have no idea if Clive can do it, but I can't be sure he can't until I see him fail.
Frankenbuddha - Jun 23, 2005 4:04:26 am PDT #4536 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Clint always Clint
I'd say there was at least one big exception here, when he was going for John Huston. In the end, I'm not sure how successful he was at it, but it was fascinating to watch and utterly un-Clint-like.
Nutty - Jun 23, 2005 4:09:21 am PDT #4537 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I told you, didn't I, about my surprise the first time I saw Owen crack a smile? I was like, Who is this dude? And what has he done with Broody Clive?
Not in a bad way. Just, the movies he's in where he smiles probably just haven't been released in the US. (We seem to like our Britons tortured, angsty, or villainous.)
Which has nothing to do with his accent or genteelness (?), but, if you'll recall, the first Elizabeth movie had Christopher Eccleston as Somebody Important In Tights, and I'd posit him as typecast in a similar "identified as proudly low-born" mode. I think the director probably likes the idea of throwing modern cultural markers -- no less so than facts of history -- into a blender.
Am I recalling correctly that Elizabeth had Ralegh executed, for marrying? Or did she just wall him up in some prison until he died?
Jim - Jun 23, 2005 4:18:05 am PDT #4538 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!
Has he been asked to play any different characters? I mean, is the repetition because he can't do it, or because people loved what they saw once, and keep casting him in similar sorts of roles?
Judging by the King Arthur trailer...I'm trying to think if I've ever seen him do anything which was trying to stretch beyond Chancer.
you'll recall, the first Elizabeth movie had Christopher Eccleston as Somebody Important In Tights, and I'd posit him as typecast in a similar "identified as proudly low-born" mode
This isn't a class thing; Ecclestone is incredibly versatile - just watch Shallow Grave, Cracker, Our Friend In The North & Dr Who - and was at that point rated second only to Robert Carlyle as Young Brit Actor To Watch. Clive Owen is brilliant at one thing, a kind of chippy cocky lad with or without a heart. I'd like to be proved wrong; I've been a fan of his since the '80s - but I can't see it.