Inara: Who's winning? Simon: I can't tell. They don't seem to be playing by any civilized rules that I know.

'Bushwhacked'


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Jim - Jun 23, 2005 4:18:05 am PDT #4538 of 10002
Ficht nicht mit Der Raketemensch!

Has he been asked to play any different characters? I mean, is the repetition because he can't do it, or because people loved what they saw once, and keep casting him in similar sorts of roles?

Judging by the King Arthur trailer...I'm trying to think if I've ever seen him do anything which was trying to stretch beyond Chancer.

you'll recall, the first Elizabeth movie had Christopher Eccleston as Somebody Important In Tights, and I'd posit him as typecast in a similar "identified as proudly low-born" mode

This isn't a class thing; Ecclestone is incredibly versatile - just watch Shallow Grave, Cracker, Our Friend In The North & Dr Who - and was at that point rated second only to Robert Carlyle as Young Brit Actor To Watch. Clive Owen is brilliant at one thing, a kind of chippy cocky lad with or without a heart. I'd like to be proved wrong; I've been a fan of his since the '80s - but I can't see it.


Nutty - Jun 23, 2005 4:27:00 am PDT #4539 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Oh, well, posit him as a one-trick pony, that's fine to debate. It was the positing him as a one-class pony, especially in the "British culture -- mix your own!" context of Elizabeth, to which I was objecting.

(You can go far on one trick, if you're good at it. And then fail miserably when someone miscasts you.)


Cashmere - Jun 23, 2005 5:38:08 am PDT #4540 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Am I recalling correctly that Elizabeth had Ralegh executed, for marrying? Or did she just wall him up in some prison until he died?

Raleigh seduced a lady in waiting--Bess Throckmorton. When she became pregnant, she insisted on marriage. Since Raleigh was a favorite of Elizabeth, she wouldn't sit for it so they married in secret. The couple spent time in the tower for their crimes but Raleigh was eventually released and went to sea for England again, although he was barred from court for a long while and lost his place in Elizabeth's favor to Lord Essex. Essex was the one eventually executed.

Raleigh marched in Elizabeth's funeral procession.


Scrappy - Jun 23, 2005 6:27:42 am PDT #4541 of 10002
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Hasn't Owen done more cerebral characters on stage? Death of Joe Egg for example?


Vonnie K - Jun 23, 2005 6:41:42 am PDT #4542 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I told you, didn't I, about my surprise the first time I saw Owen crack a smile?

Actually, I can't recall Clive Owen smiling in a genuine, uncomplicated-happy way. I've seen his characters smile, but they're always 1) kind of feral, where you can see his teeth and worry that he's going to shoot you between your eyes in 5 minutes, or 2) melancholy as hell, like "oh yeah, you're happy now, but see if it lasts!" type of thing.


Nutty - Jun 23, 2005 6:43:35 am PDT #4543 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Vonnie, the instances I was thinking of were interviews. So, not in any kind of character. It's always a little reassuring to know that people typecast as really tense aren't necessarily so when they're at home.

Unless you're Christian Bale.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 6:43:40 am PDT #4544 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm pretty sure he's happy in Greenfingers, even if not right away.


Vonnie K - Jun 23, 2005 7:09:03 am PDT #4545 of 10002
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Vonnie, the instances I was thinking of were interviews.

Huh. I don't think I've ever seen him being interviewed. Must rectify this somehow.


§ ita § - Jun 23, 2005 7:19:03 am PDT #4546 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Finally! A definition of the Hegelian dialectic that clicks for me.

Also a short Batman Begins review.


ChiKat - Jun 23, 2005 8:00:08 am PDT #4547 of 10002
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Hasn't Owen done more cerebral characters on stage? Death of Joe Egg for example?

Being the skimmer that I am, when I first read that my mind went to Cash's little boy, Owen. I was mightily impressed.