No studying? Damn! Next thing they'll tell me is I'll have to eat jelly doughnuts or sleep with a supermodel to get things done around here. I ask you, how much can one man give?

Xander ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffista Movies 4: Straight to Video  

A place to talk about movies--old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 9:48:26 am PDT #3790 of 10002
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Best alien ever

The beach ball? Yeah.

You know, I couldn't contribute to the Donnie Darko discussion because it's sitting on my shelf of To Watch. We've been putting off watching it because the DH wanted to get the one with the extra 26 minutes or whatever added back in. So I asked tonight, after having read Buffista commentary on DD, what those extra minutes were, and he tells me its the physics about the black hole/singularity thing.

Which is a key part of the science fiction game that I asked for the movie references for.

So does that count as a plate of shrimp?

(Probably not, but I'm tired)


Gris - Jun 06, 2005 9:49:46 am PDT #3791 of 10002
Hey. New board.

The funny thing is that all of Zach's student films (that I saw) were show-not-tell, almost to a fault -- gorgeous pacing and composition, very very very sparse writing.

I believe this, because I believe the first 80 minutes are fantastic show-not-tell. That's why it's annoying when he decides to monologue the points home that he's already made so clear in the last two big scenes.

Now, crossing my fingers for BB.


tommyrot - Jun 06, 2005 9:56:40 am PDT #3792 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The tech of Batman Begins: [link]

Somewhat spoilery, as to what the batsuit can do, etc....


Ailleann - Jun 06, 2005 11:54:00 am PDT #3793 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

I am randomly earwormed with the song "Suddenly" from Xanadu.

I need to find that movie. Gene Kelly on roller skates? What's not to love?!?


Glamcookie - Jun 06, 2005 12:25:57 pm PDT #3794 of 10002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

The GF and I bought a copy of Xanadu a couple of years ago and it's far worse than we remembered. We didn't even watch the whole thing. It was quite a disappointment.


Aims - Jun 06, 2005 12:27:21 pm PDT #3795 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

That happened to me when I found a copy of "License to Drive." Just not as funny when you aren't 14.


Ailleann - Jun 06, 2005 12:58:38 pm PDT #3796 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

That's what I'm afraid of, GC. I know I've watched Xanadu a billion times, but all when I was much younger. I can't remember much about it, except Gene Kelly, how much the guy looks like a Gibb brother, the music that randomly pops into my head that I know all the lyrics to, and a strange sequence pitting modern (read: 80's) musicians against a swing band in some kind of band-off.

And I just read on the IMDB boards (scary, scary place) that someone thinks David Thewlis is in the band sequence. In one of the bands. This thought somehow makes me sad.

Until I think of David Thewlis as a glam rocker. Then I'm thinking of something else entirely. t in bunk


Ailleann - Jun 06, 2005 5:26:03 pm PDT #3797 of 10002
vanguard of the socialist Hollywood liberal homosexualist agenda

And... glam David Thewlis killed the thread.

hangs head in shame

goes back to bunk


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 8:22:06 pm PDT #3798 of 10002
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A friend just sent me this article, saying if it's an insight into current conservative thought, [expletive deleted]. I don't know that it represents the general stance from the conservative party, but I think folks predicting Star Wars bumperstickers during the next election are probably right. (Not spoilery for ROTS, as the article's from 3 years ago).

The Case for the Empire From the May 16, 2002 Daily Standard: Everything you think you know about Star Wars is wrong. by Jonathan V. Last 12/26/2002 12:00:00 AM

STAR WARS RETURNS today with its fifth installment, "Attack of the Clones." There will be talk of the Force and the Dark Side and the epic morality of George Lucas's series. But the truth is that from the beginning, Lucas confused the good guys with the bad. The deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good.

It's a difficult leap to make--embracing Darth Vader and the Emperor over the plucky and attractive Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia--but a careful examination of the facts, sorted apart from Lucas's off-the-shelf moral cues, makes a quite convincing case.

First, an aside: For the sake of this discussion, I've considered only the history gleaned from the actual Star Wars films, not the Expanded Universe. If you know what the Expanded Universe is and want to argue that no discussion of Star Wars can be complete without considering material outside the canon, that's fine. However, it's always been my view that the comic books and novels largely serve to clean up Lucas's narrative and philosophical messes. Therefore, discussions of intrinsic intent must necessarily revolve around the movies alone. You may disagree, but please don't e-mail me about it.

If you don't know what the Expanded Universe is, well, uh, neither do I.

I. The Problems with the Galactic Republic

At the beginning of the Star Wars saga, the known universe is governed by the Galactic Republic. The Republic is controlled by a Senate, which is, in turn, run by an elected chancellor who's in charge of procedure, but has little real power.

Scores of thousands of planets are represented in the Galactic Senate, and as we first encounter it, it is sclerotic and ineffectual. The Republic has grown over many millennia to the point where there are so many factions and disparate interests, that it is simply too big to be governable. Even the Republic's staunchest supporters recognize this failing: In "The Phantom Menace," Queen Amidala admits, "It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." In "Attack of the Clones," young Anakin Skywalker observes that it simply "doesn't work."

The Senate moves so slowly that it is powerless to stop aggression between member states. In "The Phantom Menace" a supra-planetary alliance, the Trade Federation (think of it as OPEC to the Galactic Republic's United Nations), invades a planet and all the Senate can agree to do is call for an investigation.

Like the United Nations, the Republic has no armed forces of its own, but instead relies on a group of warriors, the Jedi knights, to "keep the peace." The Jedi, while autonomous, often work in tandem with the Senate, trying to smooth over quarrels and avoid conflicts. But the Jedi number only in the thousands--they cannot protect everyone.

What's more, it's not clear that they should be "protecting" anyone. The Jedi are Lucas's great heroes, full of Zen wisdom and righteous power. They encourage people to "use the Force"--the mystical energy which is the source of their power--but the truth, revealed in "The Phantom Menace," is that the Force isn't available to the rabble. The Force comes from midi-chlorians, tiny symbiotic organisms in people's blood, like mitochondria. The Force, it turns out, is an inherited, genetic trait. If you don't have the blood, you don't get the Force. Which makes the Jedi not a democratic militia, but a royalist Swiss guard.

And an arrogant royalist Swiss guard, at that. With one or two (continued...)


Volans - Jun 06, 2005 8:22:09 pm PDT #3799 of 10002
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( continues...) notable exceptions, the Jedi we meet in Star Wars are full of themselves. They ignore the counsel of others (often with terrible consequences), and seem honestly to believe that they are at the center of the universe. When the chief Jedi record-keeper is asked in "Attack of the Clones" about a planet she has never heard of, she replies that if it's not in the Jedi archives, it doesn't exist. (The planet in question does exist, again, with terrible consequences.)

In "Attack of the Clones," a mysterious figure, Count Dooku, leads a separatist movement of planets that want to secede from the Republic. Dooku promises these confederates smaller government, unlimited free trade, and an "absolute commitment to capitalism." Dooku's motives are suspect--it's not clear whether or not he believes in these causes. However, there's no reason to doubt the motives of the other separatists--they seem genuinely to want to make a fresh start with a government that isn't bloated and dysfunctional.

The Republic, of course, is eager to quash these separatists, but they never make a compelling case--or any case, for that matter--as to why, if they are such a freedom-loving regime, these planets should not be allowed to check out of the Republic and take control of their own destinies.

II. The Empire

We do not yet know the exact how's and why's, but we do know this: At some point between the end of Episode II and the beginning of Episode IV, the Republic is replaced by an Empire. The first hint comes in "Attack of the Clones," when the Senate's Chancellor Palpatine is granted emergency powers to deal with the separatists. It spoils very little to tell you that Palpatine eventually becomes the Emperor. For a time, he keeps the Senate in place, functioning as a rubber-stamp, much like the Roman imperial senate, but a few minutes into Episode IV, we are informed that the he has dissolved the Senate, and that "the last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away."

Lucas wants the Empire to stand for evil, so he tells us that the Emperor and Darth Vader have gone over to the Dark Side and dresses them in black.

But look closer. When Palpatine is still a senator, he says, "The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." At one point he laments that "the bureaucrats are in charge now."

Palpatine believes that the political order must be manipulated to produce peace and stability. When he mutters, "There is no civility, there is only politics," we see that at heart, he's an esoteric Straussian.

Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator--but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet. It's a dictatorship people can do business with. They collect taxes and patrol the skies. They try to stop organized crime (in the form of the smuggling rings run by the Hutts). The Empire has virtually no effect on the daily life of the average, law-abiding citizen.

Also, unlike the divine-right Jedi, the Empire is a meritocracy. The Empire runs academies throughout the galaxy (Han Solo begins his career at an Imperial academy), and those who show promise are promoted, often rapidly. In "The Empire Strikes Back" Captain Piett is quickly promoted to admiral when his predecessor "falls down on the job."

And while it's a small point, the Empire's manners and decorum speak well of it. When Darth Vader is forced to employ bounty hunters to track down Han Solo, he refuses to address them by name. Even Boba Fett, the greatest of all trackers, is referred to icily as "bounty hunter." And yet Fett understands the protocol. When he captures Solo, he calls him "Captain Solo." (Whether this is in deference to Han's former rank in the Imperial starfleet, or simply because Han owns and pilots his own ship, we don't know. I suspect it's the former.)

But the most compelling evidence that the Empire isn't evil comes in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Darth Vader is battling Luke (continued...)