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Jayne ,'The Train Job'


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sumi - May 19, 2005 5:21:51 am PDT #3007 of 10002
Art Crawl!!!

Well, he spent 10 years travelling all over the world to train himself to be the bestest vigilante ever!

Meanwhile, NewLine's website for A History of Violence is up -- there is a clip from the movie in it. (A scene with Ed Harris and Viggo Mortensen.) There is also a trailer up on the Cannes Film Festival website. Subtitled in French. Kind of fun.


-t - May 19, 2005 5:22:13 am PDT #3008 of 10002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Hm. I am likewise on the edges of the Batman universe, and "studies with ninjas" ups the attraction for me. YOTTMV


§ ita § - May 19, 2005 5:25:14 am PDT #3009 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I could study ninjutsu if I wanted to. As the improbable things in Bruce's life go -- that's one of the easy ones. If I had his cash, you damn well bet I'd be travelling the world and studying fighting styles. No need to kill my parents, and I'd never even intend to be taking it out on the road, vigilante style.

Hell, I know a guy travelling right now, who just finished studying Muay Thai in Thailand, and is expecting to taste the arts of each country he goes to.

No angsty billionaire him. Just a guy taking a year off.


Nutty - May 19, 2005 5:52:44 am PDT #3010 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

But I could study ninjutsu if I wanted to.

Like, with ninjas? In some far-off wilderness? (Where the master of this very Japanese art is an Irishman?) I think I could have bought it better if they hadn't specified "ninjas," or if it had been Muay Thai or something else. Just, "ninjas" sounds like the kind of big fat lie movie-people use instead of realistic texture.

Also, it raises the problem of "How does everybody in Gotham society not immediately know who Batman is?" If Bruce Wayne is a recluse, suspicion falls on him. If he spent years in the hinterlands of Asia, suspicion kind of falls on him. It's hard to disappear for long periods of time, and still come across seamlessly as a society airhead. "I went to school in Europe" doesn't cut it any more, you know?


Steph L. - May 19, 2005 6:08:16 am PDT #3011 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Just, "ninjas" sounds like the kind of big fat lie movie-people use instead of realistic texture.

It's true that Batman never flips out like a mammal and kills people. But I still suspect he has real, ultimate POWER!


§ ita § - May 19, 2005 6:37:17 am PDT #3012 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Like, with ninjas?

Well, that's what you call people trained in ninjutsu, so it would be a good place to start.

In some far-off wilderness?

Hey, my friend talked his way into a teensy Muay Thai camp. He had to do some sweet talking to only stay for weeks instead of months, but training with Eastern martial arts experts somewhere far off is the most attainable part of the Batman mythos. Well, other than losing parents to violence.

(Where the master of this very Japanese art is an Irishman?)

Don't know. Never actually applied.

Just, "ninjas" sounds like the kind of big fat lie movie-people use instead of realistic texture.

Which, no doubt, offends actual ninjas, but that doesn't mean they don't exist and don't include white guys. Studying Muay Thai would hardly give Bats what he needed. Ninja is a wide-ranging art of stealth, deception and fear. Muay Thai is mostly hitting people really hard.

If Bruce Wayne is a recluse, suspicion falls on him

Everyone's alter egos are safe with me. In that I'm never going to suspect, without evidence, that you're the masked villain or hero. Because, come on. How random and unlikely to happen near me! If you're a vapid flake, even less likely. It's a thing.


victor infante - May 19, 2005 6:39:39 am PDT #3013 of 10002
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Those ninjas. They're whacky.


bon bon - May 19, 2005 6:40:21 am PDT #3014 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

If I was a flesh and blood Gothamite I would probably assume that Batman is someone I don't know, rather than Bruce Wayne. ETA: I would assume this guy was some kind of superfreak.

Also, while I agree training with ninjas is a bit cliched, I'm having trouble thinking of a good analogue for it, when we're talking about a martial arts lifestyle.


Jesse - May 19, 2005 6:44:14 am PDT #3015 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Ninja is a wide-ranging art of stealth, deception and fear.

You pretty much have to be a ninja to be Batman, don't you. He's not like Superman, all bright colors and flashy life-saving.


Nutty - May 19, 2005 6:48:31 am PDT #3016 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Well, I kind of like the idea of Batman just being a great big freak, and inventing some of his stealth techniques all by himself. I didn't need anybody to teach me how to hide things in my bra.

If I was a flesh and blood Gothamite I would probably assume that Batman is someone I don't know, rather that Bruce Wayne.

This is possible. But, with all the l33t gear he has, he would need money. And, I bet he is not usually concentrating on crimes in Bedford-Stuyvesant. And, in the few comics I've read, there was always the problem of Bruce Wayne being at some tuxedoed soiree and having to disappear, leading to the part where Bruce Wayne has to come across like a coward.

Overall, I think it would be physically possible to lead a double life and for nobody to find out. But most of the time, that's not how it works out, even when you are filthy rich. So, I will want to see some serious effort go into the not-finding-out part.