I think Wonder Woman dreams of a world where a) ignoring gender isn't necessary, and b) ignoring gender != treating you like a man.
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§ ita § - Mar 30, 2005 1:06:02 pm PST #1376 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Betsy HP - Mar 30, 2005 1:07:08 pm PST #1377 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
And one where the genders are not divided into "the Oprah crowd" and "the Maxim readers".
Me, I'd like a double scoop of "none of the above".
Aims - Mar 30, 2005 1:07:46 pm PST #1378 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
ignoring gender != treating you like a man
It doesn't?
t slaps forehead
t slaps that writer
Sean K - Mar 30, 2005 1:09:50 pm PST #1379 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Huh. They didn't like the musical ep. Oh, well.
You were hired, Joss, because your "Buffy" so brilliantly walked the tightrope between camp humor and credibility for seven memorable seasons. With the exception of that musical episode, you can simply glance back at those old formulas to achieve that "X-Men"-type combination of not veering too far toward the camp that sank "Batman & Robin" or the self-importance that dragged down "Hulk."
Nor is this goink apparently aware that Joss did script work on X-Men.
Hey Fanboy, next time you plan on taking someone to task over work they're about to do, try to be aware of their credits.
§ ita § - Mar 30, 2005 1:09:54 pm PST #1380 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
And one where the genders are not divided into "the Oprah crowd" and "the Maxim readers".
Well, I thought that part was about dividing the stereotypical portrayals of women, and not meant to account for us all. That bit I'm fine with, because I don't want to see either Diana.
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Nor is this goink apparently aware that Joss did script work on X-Men.
Maybe the writer thought having Joss's work almost all tossed meant it didn't count. No, still confusing.
DXMachina - Mar 30, 2005 1:12:22 pm PST #1381 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Nor is this goink apparently aware that Joss did script work on X-Men.
Nor, apparently, that Joss is currently writing one of the X-Men books.
bon bon - Mar 30, 2005 1:24:53 pm PST #1382 of 10002
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I don't have a problem with the article. But the author, while having a real point of view about Wonder Woman, didn't know anything about Whedon. I mean, if you really did watch Buffy, wouldn't you incorporate that into your whole "teaching a writer about female superheroes" rant? Or maybe leave out the part about casting Rob Schneider and spending a bunch of time on costumes?
Sean K - Mar 30, 2005 1:31:11 pm PST #1383 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Yeah, that's what really baffles me about this letter -- the guy clearly has watched Buffy, so he should be aware of Joss' credentials as a writer and director of female superheroes. None of the potential dangers this guy brought up seem to be that threatening, if you're familiar with Joss' existant body of work.
Betsy HP - Mar 30, 2005 1:41:49 pm PST #1384 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
The thing is, there are superheroines whose attitude would be "Sexism? Are you inSANE?" Wonder Woman is all about the culture shock, having grown up on Paradise Island and now confronting gender roles for the first time. Weird gender roles.
Lyra Jane - Mar 30, 2005 2:20:46 pm PST #1385 of 10002
Up with the sun
And one where the genders are not divided into "the Oprah crowd" and "the Maxim readers".
But I don't think that it means all men=Maxim, all women=Oprah. UIt means, "don't be all namby-pamby 'We Girls Can Do Anything' candy-colored feminist, but don't stick her in a string bikini for the whole movie." I don't think acknowledging the extremes means ignoring the middle.