And you're sure this isn't just some fanboy thing? 'Cause I've fought more than a couple pimply, overweight vamps that called themselves Lestat.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 28, 2012 10:12:31 am PDT #9690 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

But being a Power-That-Was, jasmine kind of had a pre-existing hack into the vision warning system. Though I still maintain that the "I'm in love with Angel!" vision could have been a legitimate warning, as the visions normally depicted situations of horror that needed to be averted and Cordy should have recognized that as one of the highest order.


le nubian - Oct 28, 2012 10:18:53 am PDT #9691 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

LOL!


Polter-Cow - Oct 29, 2012 1:37:54 pm PDT #9692 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Mark Watches "Conviction."

Skip to 43:15 in the video. It's pretty wonderful.


Steph L. - Oct 29, 2012 1:59:32 pm PDT #9693 of 10458
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Ahahaha, that's awesome. I'm glad he was unspoiled.


victor infante - Oct 30, 2012 6:52:28 am PDT #9694 of 10458
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

you make a good point. what were the point of visions if not to avoid the Jasmine bullshit?

I always thought the visions were from Jasmine, and were part of the long-con all along: Jasmine manipulated them into the position to create the conditions for her birth into a corporeal form.


sj - Oct 30, 2012 6:54:04 am PDT #9695 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I always thought the visions were from Jasmine, and were part of the long-con all along: Jasmine manipulated them into the position to vreate the conditions for her birth into a corporeal form.

So she was the only PTB to be sending visions all along? Did she also somehow orchestrate Doyle's death?


victor infante - Oct 30, 2012 6:55:06 am PDT #9696 of 10458
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

So she was the only PTB to be sending visions all along? Did she also somehow orchestrate Doyle's death?

It would make sense, wouldn't it? Doyle dies heroically, passes the visions to Cordelia, who then acts as the "mother" to Jasmine.


DavidS - Oct 30, 2012 6:57:12 am PDT #9697 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That just makes the Jasmine retcon even less palatable to me.

Especially for a show which is ostensibly about defining your morality by your choices.

But they were just puppets.


sj - Oct 30, 2012 6:57:53 am PDT #9698 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

It would make sense, wouldn't it? Doyle dies heroically, passes the visions to Cordelia, who then acts as the "mother" to Jasmine.

It makes sense, but it also makes me sad that every good deed they ever did would have a taint of evil to it.


le nubian - Oct 30, 2012 7:07:21 am PDT #9699 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

indeed.