Riley: Maybe I should just let you rest. Buffy: You sure? I bet if you just lay down with me- Riley: Nothing you are about to say will lead to rest.

'Lessons'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


DavidS - Oct 27, 2012 8:20:34 pm PDT #9682 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I did think the Boyd came out of frelling nowhere, though, like the rest of you.

One of the all-time asspulls in Whedon history.

Up there with:

Summers blood. (whatev)
Xander setting off the OMWF. (Seriously? After he's had love spells go awry and spoke Latin in front of the books?)
Everything that happened for two seasons on Angel was set-up by Jasmine. (they just lost me there.)

Those are the three least supported examples of plot-whiplash. Those were not properly setup so they just felt random.


Polter-Cow - Oct 27, 2012 8:24:18 pm PDT #9683 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Xander setting off the OMWF. (Seriously? After he's had love spells go awry and spoke Latin in front of the books?)

My headcanon is that he's covering for Ethan Rayne, who threatened to expose some embarrassing secret.


billytea - Oct 27, 2012 10:57:01 pm PDT #9684 of 10458
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Hey, did Mark revisit his Buffy S7 predictions?


§ ita § - Oct 28, 2012 2:58:16 am PDT #9685 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think they worked around ED's limitations and brought it back to her strengths (she doesn't have wide range, but she's got deep charisma)

Yeah, we're never going to agree on that. I think she's visually sexy, but I don't get the charisma angle, and even if there were buckets of it, it's not something that's important to her character, so...I think she was woefully miscast, and did not at any point live up to the Very Special Doll with all the people inside, and since every week she had to be someone different, it was grating and rubbed in my face with each episode. They never wrote themselves out of that hole.

I don't know if I'd call Summers blood or Xander setting off OMWF asspulls so much as things you don't like or think are OOC. The Boyd reveal was a panicked move that came out of nowhere after they'd been building up in god knows what direction, but that wasn't it. As far as Summers blood goes, I figure they always thought it was something like that--they just had a bad idea. And telling me Xander made another goof...well, yeah. Actually I don't see it as OOC at all. Annoying, but workable.


Polter-Cow - Oct 28, 2012 5:01:48 am PDT #9686 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Hey, did Mark revisit his Buffy S7 predictions?

I think he's posting that today.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 28, 2012 7:26:47 am PDT #9687 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Everything that happened for two seasons on Angel was set-up by Jasmine. (they just lost me there.)

I realize that was completely unplanned in advance, but I actually thought it worked well and helped make sense out of a lot of the random mishmash of previous stories.


sj - Oct 28, 2012 7:45:25 am PDT #9688 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Everything that happened for two seasons on Angel was set-up by Jasmine. (they just lost me there.)

That whole storyline just made me think that Cordy should have had a vision telling her to stay with Groo and/or give up her visions to him, because then the whole set-up would have been foiled.


le nubian - Oct 28, 2012 7:51:49 am PDT #9689 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

you make a good point. what were the point of visions if not to avoid the Jasmine bullshit?


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 28, 2012 10:12:31 am PDT #9690 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

But being a Power-That-Was, jasmine kind of had a pre-existing hack into the vision warning system. Though I still maintain that the "I'm in love with Angel!" vision could have been a legitimate warning, as the visions normally depicted situations of horror that needed to be averted and Cordy should have recognized that as one of the highest order.


le nubian - Oct 28, 2012 10:18:53 am PDT #9691 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

LOL!