I also bullied Tim into admitting that Cordelia wouldn't carry a stake in her purse in case Angel went bad, especially after she found out that a Taser would work on Vamps. So he upgraded her to Taser.
Illyria: Wesley's dead. I'm feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence. Spike: Well, wishes just happen to be horses today.
'Not Fade Away'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
DavidS - Jul 23, 2012 1:56:30 pm PDT #9481 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Kate P. - Jul 23, 2012 4:59:19 pm PDT #9482 of 10458
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
From Mark's review of "Gone":
The only thing I worry about is something happening that would trigger Willow into using magic.
I have a feeling he will come to regret that phrasing...
DavidS - Jul 23, 2012 5:17:19 pm PDT #9483 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I have a feeling he will come to regret that phrasing...
After the whole Spuffy kerfuffle he casually mentioned that there probably wouldn't be anything as controversial in the season yet to come.
"Seeing Red" in t-minus 7 episodes...
chrismg - Jul 24, 2012 12:00:44 pm PDT #9484 of 10458
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade
I've seen it discussed, here and elsewhere, about Wesley's tendency to assume whatever option hurts him personally is The Correct And Moral Choice. Mark's review of Birthday suddenly got me wondering whether it was a general thing the show says, in light of Cordelia's choice to keep the visions and be demonized. Angel seems pretty willing to accept punishment, but he has a lot of genuine guilt. Do you think Fred or Gunn are ever put in that position, or other characters?
DavidS - Jul 24, 2012 1:41:52 pm PDT #9485 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I think the show is a lot about self-sacrifice, which with Angel and Wes tends to involve some self-hatred. NSM, with Cordy, Fred and Gunn.
It's a little weird to me all the Cordy love over there. I mean, I do enjoy the character but she wouldn't be in my top five in the Whedonverse.
I'm as taken aback by the Cordy-love as I was by the Xander-hate.
Strega - Jul 24, 2012 4:22:03 pm PDT #9486 of 10458
On Angel? Cordelia is strongly motivated by guilt and the desire to make up for past sins. Just like Doyle and Wesley. It's not as big an ongoing thing for Gunn but he's certainly drenched in guilt for his introduction.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 24, 2012 6:16:29 pm PDT #9487 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
It's a little weird to me all the Cordy love over there.
That definitely comes from Mark. I'm curious if he's even going to even recognize how badly they are treating the character (for the various reasons they did), and I'm REALLY am curious what his feelings are going to be for the character when we get to "Why do you think I let him out, you bitch?" STAB!
Zenkitty - Jul 24, 2012 6:19:10 pm PDT #9488 of 10458
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Poor Mark. What they're going to do to Cordy is going to break his heart.
Polter-Cow - Jul 24, 2012 6:20:13 pm PDT #9489 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
His braaaaaaain will explode.
What they're going to do to Cordy is going to break his heart.
Yeah, I do feel sad every time he mentions how much he loves Cordelia and how brilliant her character arc is because...yeah. I love season four, but I can't deny that it's not kind to her character.
That definitely comes from Mark.
Well, no, there are tons of Cordy stans in the comments. Loving Cordy is like hating Xander; everyone's doing it! It was definitely somewhat of a surprise to me, but I was never really in the fandom, so I didn't know how popular Cordy was.
Connie Neil - Jul 24, 2012 6:30:08 pm PDT #9490 of 10458
brillig
I've gotten the impression that behavior they dislike in Xander they admire in Cordy (meanness and snideness). I have no studies, analysis, or examples, just my impression.