You'll fight, and you'll shag, and you'll hate each other till it makes you quiver, but you'll never be friends.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


sj - Mar 19, 2012 6:05:28 am PDT #8999 of 10458
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Huh. Gotta say, "Pangs" wnet better for Mark than expected. He acknowledges the wrognness (and really, I think we all admit there's wrongness) but it doesn't blind him to the great in that episode.

I was happy to see that he did this. Although, the commenters nsm.

Anyway, this was a really weird episode. I’m not sure if it was trying to be funny, or really serious, or some strange combination of both?

This is one of the Mark Reads comment. Isn't nearly every episode of Buffy some weird combination of both. To me that is one of the best things about Buffy.

I'm guessing IWRY is going to break Mark into teeny tiny pieces.


Sophia Brooks - Mar 19, 2012 8:28:49 am PDT #9000 of 10458
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, a lot of Freaks and Geeks actors including Martin Starr.

They even had Samm Levine (Neil) who hasn't been on much of anything since F & G.


Polter-Cow - Mar 19, 2012 11:52:59 am PDT #9001 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I'm guessing IWRY is going to break Mark into teeny tiny pieces.

True!

I never thought about the fact that IWRY is sort of a precursor to the Connor mindwipe. Consulting people before taking away their memories? Never!


Fred Pete - Mar 20, 2012 11:14:31 am PDT #9002 of 10458
Ann, that's a ferret.

Just read Mark's review of "Something Blue."

He really is that unspoiled.


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 11:14:36 am PDT #9003 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It's been 14 years since Xander lied to Buffy about Angel, and I can't believe I'm still having that argument, but what I think is kinda interesting this time is all the assumptions that this particular Xander defender has made about me, based, I think, entirely on the information that I think Xander should have told the truth.

He's totally convinced that I'm a Buffy/Angel shipper who really likes Buffy as a person. It's fascinating to me at the prejudices someone thinks I need to have in order to take an unrelated position. Like, he's sure he has to undermine me by pointing out my irrationality.

He has a very low opinion of shippers, so obviously being one at all makes me suspect, but obvious a Bangel shipper is the worst right now at having perspective. And I must *really* like Buffy, because I'm looking at this from her sentimental point of view, not Xander's more rational position.

Basically, I think he probably thinks I'm wrong because I'm a girl, but he can't/won't frame it that way. All the subtext is there, though.

I mean, I've seen Xander supported with other arguments, but this particular one is really weakly predicated on me being too emotional to see straight.


DavidS - Mar 20, 2012 11:16:56 am PDT #9004 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Heh.

I refuse to be judged for projecting my big ol’ gay life all over you Willow. I don’t even care that you’re straight, you are my big ol’ gay best friend


Polter-Cow - Mar 20, 2012 11:21:27 am PDT #9005 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

He really is that unspoiled.

Right?? Haaaa, oh my God.

I refuse to be judged for projecting my big ol’ gay life all over you Willow. I don’t even care that you’re straight, you are my big ol’ gay best friend

He does love Willow a lot; I wonder what he'll think of her in season six.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 20, 2012 11:21:52 am PDT #9006 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

He's already seen Doppelgangland, right?


DavidS - Mar 20, 2012 11:30:48 am PDT #9007 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's interesting seeing how some people are picking up on Willow's predilection towards using magic instead of facing emotional consequences.


Connie Neil - Mar 20, 2012 11:33:33 am PDT #9008 of 10458
brillig

I'm wondering what his reaction to Willow and Tara's relationship is.