Does anybody mind if I pass out?

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Ailleann - May 19, 2005 5:34:54 am PDT #892 of 10458
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I agree with Raquel on Background!Xander. It wasn't until his unfortunate eye injury (which still strikes me as very OMGWTF!, even now) that he was even getting much plot attention (IIRC). Then as we were rushing toward the end, he started to be involved in a real way again.


beathen - May 19, 2005 7:04:47 am PDT #893 of 10458
Sure I went over to the Dark Side, but just to pick up a few things.

It wasn't until his unfortunate eye injury (which still strikes me as very OMGWTF!, even now) that he was even getting much plot attention (IIRC).

This is very evident in Conversations with Dead People - he wasn't in the episode because he'd never really lost anyone very dear to him.


Connie Neil - May 19, 2005 7:10:04 am PDT #894 of 10458
brillig

he wasn't in the episode because he'd never really lost anyone very dear to him.

Jesse. Poor, forgotten Jesse.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2005 7:12:13 am PDT #895 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

They so should have had the first appear to him as Jesse. Or Buffy.


Frankenbuddha - May 19, 2005 7:15:01 am PDT #896 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

They so should have had the first appear to him as Jesse. Or Buffy

wrod, since it was about a year too early for it to be Cordelia.


Connie Neil - May 19, 2005 7:16:12 am PDT #897 of 10458
brillig

I was so praying for First!Buffy to wander around and sow confusion.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2005 7:18:27 am PDT #898 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I still seethe at the waste of not having the First appear as Buffy to any of the Scoobies until it did so just to taunt her at the very end. It only used that extremely effective tactic on Spike.

Then again, I really wanted a reveal that that wasn't actually Angel in the last 2 episodes. Can you imagine the look on Buffy's face if she'd run to hug him and then passed right through?


Connie Neil - May 19, 2005 7:33:23 am PDT #899 of 10458
brillig

I really wanted a reveal that that wasn't actually Angel in the last 2 episodes.

Stupid studio conflicts, it should have been Angelus tormenting Spike, not Dru. That would have been sweet.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 19, 2005 7:37:28 am PDT #900 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I don't know, I think Drusilla is the more important figure of the two to Spike. Angelus definitely should have been in that morphing sequence in "Lessons." Though if we go by best villains of a season rather than most dominant in the arc, it should have been a Gentleman rather than Adam for Season 4 as well. Which would have put a crimp in the First's season premiere monologue.


Gris - May 19, 2005 12:40:13 pm PDT #901 of 10458
Hey. New board.

Huh. If Perkins doesn't object to me stealing her discussion format, I'd really like to see what people think about this:

Who was most important to/for Willow: Tara, Oz, or Xander?