Ha!
Mark and the newbies are still kinda meh on Angel so far, which is fair. I can't wait to see them change their minds, though.
You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.
Buffy ,'Lessons'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Polter-Cow - Mar 08, 2012 11:36:03 am PST #8872 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
le nubian - Mar 08, 2012 12:05:55 pm PST #8873 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
P-C,
I liked Angel from the beginning. It just hit the sweet spot for me. When you do think they will change their minds? Hero?
victor infante - Mar 08, 2012 12:08:42 pm PST #8874 of 10458
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
When you do think they will change their minds? Hero?
Room With a Vu
Polter-Cow - Mar 08, 2012 12:14:31 pm PST #8875 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Ooh, that is a good point; the Cordy love is strong with them. And that's followed by "Sense and Sensitivity," which is both hilarious and brings back Kate, whom they also liked. Yeah, that's a start of a pretty good run, and then you get "Hero" and "Somnambulist," and I hope they like it by then, because the "Expecting"/"She" doubleheader will be...something. Except for the fact that we can finally post freely about Angel dancing!
I'm pretty sure I liked it from the beginning too, though.
victor infante - Mar 08, 2012 12:16:46 pm PST #8876 of 10458
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
I was OK with it from the beginning, but it took a few episodes to really make me care, so I kind of feel for Mark and his minions. But as you say, once we get to the stretch from the serious Cordy episode to the return of Wesley, they'll be fine.
Connie Neil - Mar 08, 2012 12:17:31 pm PST #8877 of 10458
brillig
Spike's monologue is such a thing of beauty. "Not the hair, never the hair."
Jesse - Mar 08, 2012 12:34:29 pm PST #8878 of 10458
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
In the first season of Angel, I'm pretty sure I changed the channel to watch Sports Night most weeks. (Am I remembering that right? I definitely switched to something else at the half-hour.)
DavidS - Mar 08, 2012 12:35:53 pm PST #8879 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
It was S2 of Angel where I was enjoying it much more than S5 of BtVS.
Polter-Cow - Mar 08, 2012 12:39:00 pm PST #8880 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I was definitely enjoying S4 of Angel much more than S7 of BTVS.
DavidS - Mar 08, 2012 12:56:37 pm PST #8881 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
There's a lot of stuff that Mark will love about Angel once it finds its feet: Cordy, Scruffy!Wesley and Lilah, Darla, Faith's return, Fred, Lorne.
But my biggest issue with Angel is that its season-long arcs routinely failed to make sense. Admittedly, some of this was due to people like Charisma needing to go into rehab so they parked her in a Higher Plane. But the whole Jasmine arc, especially with Connor's role in the group was so fucked up. I mean, I could've been okay with some Not Logic Making, but I think they missed the emotional beats and narrative payoffs.
I didn't like the Cordy/Angel romance nor the Cordy/Connor. Feh. In fact, the most satisfying relationships in that show were all extremely contentious ones: Wes/Angel, Angel/Lindsay, Wes/Lilah. They should've stuck to evil noir romance and slash.
Though they did make a good career out of truly great corrective episodes like "Home" and "You're Welcome," which spackled together previously misshapen arcs with something emotionally satisfying.