Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Jesse - Mar 08, 2012 12:34:29 pm PST #8878 of 10458
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In the first season of Angel, I'm pretty sure I changed the channel to watch Sports Night most weeks. (Am I remembering that right? I definitely switched to something else at the half-hour.)


DavidS - Mar 08, 2012 12:35:53 pm PST #8879 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It was S2 of Angel where I was enjoying it much more than S5 of BtVS.


Polter-Cow - Mar 08, 2012 12:39:00 pm PST #8880 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I was definitely enjoying S4 of Angel much more than S7 of BTVS.


DavidS - Mar 08, 2012 12:56:37 pm PST #8881 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There's a lot of stuff that Mark will love about Angel once it finds its feet: Cordy, Scruffy!Wesley and Lilah, Darla, Faith's return, Fred, Lorne.

But my biggest issue with Angel is that its season-long arcs routinely failed to make sense. Admittedly, some of this was due to people like Charisma needing to go into rehab so they parked her in a Higher Plane. But the whole Jasmine arc, especially with Connor's role in the group was so fucked up. I mean, I could've been okay with some Not Logic Making, but I think they missed the emotional beats and narrative payoffs.

I didn't like the Cordy/Angel romance nor the Cordy/Connor. Feh. In fact, the most satisfying relationships in that show were all extremely contentious ones: Wes/Angel, Angel/Lindsay, Wes/Lilah. They should've stuck to evil noir romance and slash.

Though they did make a good career out of truly great corrective episodes like "Home" and "You're Welcome," which spackled together previously misshapen arcs with something emotionally satisfying.


Polter-Cow - Mar 08, 2012 1:01:57 pm PST #8882 of 10458
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Admittedly, some of this was due to people like Charisma needing to go into rehab so they parked her in a Higher Plane.

Huh, I didn't know that.

But the whole Jasmine arc, especially with Connor's role in the group was so fucked up. I mean, I could've been okay with some Not Logic Making, but I think they missed the emotional beats and narrative payoffs.

I love that whole season because it's a roller coaster ride of craziness and cliffhangers.

I didn't like the Cordy/Angel romance nor the Cordy/Connor.

I wasn't a big fan either.

Wes/Lilah. They should've stuck to evil noir romance and slash.

Wes and Lilah were great, though.


Ginger - Mar 08, 2012 1:03:47 pm PST #8883 of 10458
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I was never as attached to Angel as I was to Buffy, particularly after they removed Cordelia's personality. I will also enter in evidence the phrase "pancake kisses." I thought Angel generally did better with monster of the week episodes.


DavidS - Mar 08, 2012 1:06:40 pm PST #8884 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Huh, I didn't know that.

They were going to write her out of the show if she didn't get her shit together. That's why there was a cliffhanger of her disappearing.

Also Xander's role in later seasons was diminished because of Nick's alcoholism.

It's also been long rumored that NB and SMG had a fling S1 because they didn't think the show was going to get picked up. But SMG was pretty loyal to him, and in S7 she was actively pitching for more participation for Xander. Originally, they had planned to have Caleb kill Xander and then NB would play the First Evil through the end of the series.


Connie Neil - Mar 08, 2012 1:12:38 pm PST #8885 of 10458
brillig

Ooo, First Evil Xander, haunting everyone and reminding them of all they times they dismissed him . . .

Though Xander in Africa is pretty sweet as well.


le nubian - Mar 08, 2012 3:38:34 pm PST #8886 of 10458
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I am incredibly bitter over the Jasmine shit. I paused Mark Watches for awhile, but I may start reading him again when he gets to Jasmine. I am sure he will HATE it.


Kate P. - Mar 09, 2012 4:04:11 am PST #8887 of 10458
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I had somehow managed to completely block the very existence of Cordy/Connor from my mind. Bleh.