That's as much as dead as the others got.
Her calling him dead doesn't make him dead. Are you saying that stabbing a vampire kills them, or that sending to another dimension does, or that it's the combination?
Dreg: Glory, Your Most Fresh-And-Cleanness. It's only a matter of time-- Glory: Ugh, everything always takes time! What about my time? Does anyone appreciate I'm on a schedule here?! Tick tock, Dreg! Tick freakin' tock!
'Sleeper'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2012 7:09:02 pm PST #8683 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DavidS - Feb 17, 2012 7:13:27 pm PST #8684 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Are you saying that stabbing a vampire kills them, or that sending to another dimension does, or that it's the combination?
Going to Hell equals "dead" for whatever that means in the Jossiverse. He was expired on this plane, he was an ex-Angel, he was bleedin' demised.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2012 7:15:35 pm PST #8685 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Was Buffy dead in "Anne"?
-t - Feb 17, 2012 7:20:06 pm PST #8686 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Was Connor dead while he was growing up then?
DavidS - Feb 17, 2012 7:22:59 pm PST #8687 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Was Buffy dead in "Anne"?
Walking through an interdimensional portal is not the same as having your physical body mortally wounded in our dimension.
-t - Feb 17, 2012 7:24:33 pm PST #8688 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Angel's physical body was not mortally wounded though. Wounded, yes; mortally, no.
Atropa - Feb 17, 2012 7:42:17 pm PST #8689 of 10458
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.
I'm with Plei about Fred's death. With added sobbing because she was forgetting everyone and everything important to her and the memories of her bunny were stripped away from her. t yes, I still have issues about her damn toy bunny. Shut up, this tag is not closing.
DavidS - Feb 17, 2012 7:47:39 pm PST #8690 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I guess if he was "vampire dead" he would've dusted. I'm trying to remember the details - they just needed Angel's blood to seal the portal? So, like a bad hangnail would've worked instead of a coupe de grace?
Dag, Joss' world-building always did suck, especially when he tried to turn a plot-point on it. He only cares about the emotional resonance of the action, not whether it makes sense. (Hence...so many seasons of Angel which don't make much sense to me with the Jasmine and the Glayvin and Skip and the higher plane and the powers that be.)
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2012 7:55:08 pm PST #8691 of 10458
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't see how there are now two deads for a vampire. You stab them in the stomach, you might as well as have given them a paper cut. You jump through a portal, you jump through a portal.
-t - Feb 17, 2012 8:02:44 pm PST #8692 of 10458
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
they just needed Angel's blood to seal the portal? So, like a bad hangnail would've worked instead of a coupe de grace?
As I recall, it was the stabbination with the magic sword that stopped the invasion of demon hordes (or whatever, I'm a little fuzzy on which Apocalypse is which) and incidentally sucked Angel to Hell. I'm not sure if the idea of a portal was part of it at that stage.