Stop that right now! I can hear the smacking!

Giles ,'Never Leave Me'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2012 2:17:07 pm PST #8340 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think you need to let kids make their choices and not get all judgey on them

I think some choices kids make are important. I don't see any real ramifications about liking Justin Bieber, but if someone you're responsible for thinks the Edward/Bella relationship is a template for normal or optimal behaviour, I think having an in depth discussion with them about it isn't out of line.

But there might be something I don't know about Justin Bieber.


Jessica - Jan 13, 2012 2:19:01 pm PST #8341 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Eh, when I was 12 I thought Time Enough For Love was a template for optimal behavior. I grew out of it.


Una - Jan 13, 2012 2:22:14 pm PST #8342 of 10459
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.

My favourite mocking summary of the book(s) on LJ is this one.

And the one advantage to my mom not liking genre at all is that I don't have to worry about her getting into Twilight. eek.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2012 2:24:06 pm PST #8343 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Eh, when I was 12 I thought Time Enough For Love was a template for optimal behavior. I grew out of it.

And there are adults that still think it's optimal. The idea of setting realistic goals with your kid--is that helicopter parenting? What am I missing?


Vortex - Jan 13, 2012 2:27:48 pm PST #8344 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

My boss' daughter was not a big reader, but really liked the Twilight books. So, since she likes supernatural teen romance, I convinced my boss to give her our Amy's "Cold Kiss" for Christmas. I'm waiting anxiously for a report, she's reading it now


Jessica - Jan 13, 2012 2:28:50 pm PST #8345 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The idea of setting realistic goals with your kid--is that helicopter parenting? What am I missing?

I think talking to your kids about what they're reading is always a good idea, but I disagree with the implication that liking Twilight is some kind of huge red flag.


§ ita § - Jan 13, 2012 3:07:47 pm PST #8346 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Has anyone said that?


DawnK - Jan 13, 2012 4:01:08 pm PST #8347 of 10459
giraffe mode

I disagree with the implication that liking Twilight is some kind of huge red flag

Agreed. Anecdotal evidence: my daughter was 13 or 14 when Twilight came out,target audience all the way. She was in LOVE with them. Talked about them all the time, as did all her friends. By the time Breaking Dawn came out, she and most of her friends were mocking them, not only for the Bella/Edward dysfunctional relationship but for the poor writing too. She read half of Eclipse and then put it in the Goodwill pile, and refused to go anywhere near Breaking Dawn - although she loved Cleolinda's recaps. There's the difference between 13/14 and 17/18. She has clearly defined ideas about relationships now at 20 (as her boyfriend found out early in their relationship, she takes no crap)


amyth - Jan 13, 2012 4:28:42 pm PST #8348 of 10459
And none of us deserving the cruelty or the grace -- Leonard Cohen

Re: Mark watches. He and I aren't on the same wavelength, but he has gotten me to do an epic rewatch of Buffy and Angel, and I just finished S4 Buffy and S1 Angel. I forgot just how much HSQ was packed into To Shanshu in LA. Among other things: Angel Investigations getting blown up, Lindsey getting his hand cut off, and Darla getting raised. So great!


Cass - Jan 13, 2012 4:30:44 pm PST #8349 of 10459
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

I forgot just how much HSQ was packed into To Shanshu in LA. Among other things: Angel Investigations getting blown up, Lindsey getting his hand cut off, and Darla getting raised. So great!

Oooh, good ep. I should rewatch.