We killed a homeless man on this bench. Me and Dru. Those were good times. You know, he begged for mercy, and you know, that only made her bite harder.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


askye - Jan 11, 2012 4:09:16 pm PST #8251 of 10459
Thrive to spite them

I'm still not sure how Mark doesn't get how Dru is insane. 1) that she's insane and 2) how it happened.

It's not a big mystery - Angel tells Buffy exactly what he did and why.

Also not getting how he's missing the affection Spike has for Dru. It's evil vampire affection but it's stil there.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 11, 2012 5:21:37 pm PST #8252 of 10459
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Could he be covering his ears and going "lalalalala" whenever Drusilla is onscreen?


Fred Pete - Jan 12, 2012 4:26:08 am PST #8253 of 10459
Ann, that's a ferret.

I enjoy Mark's reviews, but being able to discuss them here (without worrying about spoilery) adds a little something.

I don't think it's that Mark doesn't get how Dru works. I suspect something won't let him get it. If that makes any sense.

And if he thinks the introduction of Kendra is the Holy Grail of Plot Twists, he's so unprepared, he doesn't know that he's unprepared.


DCJensen - Jan 12, 2012 5:40:38 am PST #8254 of 10459
All is well that ends in pizza.

Oh, indeed. Wait until Surprise.

And Passion.

And...


Vonnie K - Jan 12, 2012 6:09:52 am PST #8255 of 10459
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Buffistas Read Mark Watches Buffy is more entertaining than just him watching Buffy.

Yeah. I tried to read him, and found he had some interesting and fresh takes on the canon, but I cannot take that that combination of overwrought emotions to eleven all the time + delicate floweredness + asscaps in continuous doses.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 12, 2012 7:39:15 am PST #8256 of 10459
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I cannot that that combination of overwrought emotions to eleven all the time + delicate floweredness + asscaps in continuous doses.

I find myself making the "llama drama" sign while reading him.


erikaj - Jan 12, 2012 9:41:10 am PST #8257 of 10459
Always Anti-fascist!

He's so *delicate* Wirefiends are not usually woobies.(Well, not where people can see us do it. I admit that some of those finales tore my guts out...fucking Pelecanos may be my Angelus, actually.Fucking George, man. But I bet he'd look good in the pants.) Which reminds me of the time David Simon visited hbo.com and was all "WTF?" when people freaked out about Stringer. He was all like "?!" completely unprepared for fandom's...occasional disrespect for storytelling and Earth logic. It felt weird to know something he didn't


askye - Jan 12, 2012 11:23:49 am PST #8258 of 10459
Thrive to spite them

Mark has watched What's My Line Part 2. And skimming through the comments there's a great one at the end by - P-C.

I'm beginning to think that Mark doesn't really get that Buffy isn't run by Normal Earth Logic and that he isn't giving the writers and Joss for 1) being really good writers and 2)doing things to subvert the cliche.

His reaction to Dru torturing Angel

This might be unintentional, but I felt there was a very specific subtext to Drusilla’s torturing of Angel. The entire time she’s doing it, she is telling Angel what he did to her family. I am hoping that this was done specifically to give some sense of closure to Drusilla or to hold Angel accountable for what he did to her all those years ago. It’s not something the writers could have done, but it seemed like a conscious choice to include that in the script.

I think he's still trying to process Dru like she's a normal person who is "strange and awkward" rather than an evil insane vampire.

Plus he was totally freaked out by the fact Giles and Willow killed vampires on screen. I'm not sure what's so shocking about that.


sj - Jan 12, 2012 11:28:43 am PST #8259 of 10459
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I think he's still trying to process Dru like she's a normal person who is "strange and awkward" rather than an evil insane vampire.

Yes. There is no closure for Drusilla, she's a vampire forever. And she was mostly torturing Angel because she enjoys it.

I'm beginning to think that Mark doesn't really get that Buffy isn't run by Normal Earth Logic

Yes, see also not understanding that Angels wounds heal quickly because he is a vampire.


erikaj - Jan 12, 2012 11:30:25 am PST #8260 of 10459
Always Anti-fascist!

"It's all in the game." (Now I totally want to hear this from ASH...Bourdain said it the other day and my knees got weak. Which, admittedly, is not different from their usual state, but you know. Y'all know that if he wasn't married to someone ita would have to save me from, I'd do strange and awkward things with that guy. But Octavia would kill me if I tried anything. Might be worth it--finally something to make up for not being messed-up enough to be a Make-A-Wish kid.