I cannot that that combination of overwrought emotions to eleven all the time + delicate floweredness + asscaps in continuous doses.

I find myself making the "llama drama" sign while reading him.

He's so *delicate* Wirefiends are not usually woobies.(Well, not where people can see us do it. I admit that some of those finales tore my guts out...fucking Pelecanos may be my Angelus, actually.Fucking George, man. But I bet he'd look good in the pants.) Which reminds me of the time David Simon visited hbo.com and was all "WTF?" when people freaked out about Stringer. He was all like "?!" completely unprepared for fandom's...occasional disrespect for storytelling and Earth logic. It felt weird to know something he didn't

Mark has watched What's My Line Part 2. And skimming through the comments there's a great one at the end by - P-C.

I'm beginning to think that Mark doesn't really get that Buffy isn't run by Normal Earth Logic and that he isn't giving the writers and Joss for 1) being really good writers and 2)doing things to subvert the cliche.

His reaction to Dru torturing Angel

This might be unintentional, but I felt there was a very specific subtext to Drusilla’s torturing of Angel. The entire time she’s doing it, she is telling Angel what he did to her family. I am hoping that this was done specifically to give some sense of closure to Drusilla or to hold Angel accountable for what he did to her all those years ago. It’s not something the writers could have done, but it seemed like a conscious choice to include that in the script.

I think he's still trying to process Dru like she's a normal person who is "strange and awkward" rather than an evil insane vampire.

Plus he was totally freaked out by the fact Giles and Willow killed vampires on screen. I'm not sure what's so shocking about that.

I think he's still trying to process Dru like she's a normal person who is "strange and awkward" rather than an evil insane vampire.

Yes. There is no closure for Drusilla, she's a vampire forever. And she was mostly torturing Angel because she enjoys it.

I'm beginning to think that Mark doesn't really get that Buffy isn't run by Normal Earth Logic

Yes, see also not understanding that Angels wounds heal quickly because he is a vampire.

"It's all in the game." (Now I totally want to hear this from ASH...Bourdain said it the other day and my knees got weak. Which, admittedly, is not different from their usual state, but you know. Y'all know that if he wasn't married to someone ita would have to save me from, I'd do strange and awkward things with that guy. But Octavia would kill me if I tried anything. Might be worth it--finally something to make up for not being messed-up enough to be a Make-A-Wish kid.

Yes. There is no closure for Drusilla, she's a vampire forever. And she was mostly torturing Angel because she enjoys it.

Also, Dru doesn't want closure. By everything that's shown, being a vampire is OMG THE BEST THING EVER!!1 for Dru.

I miss Dru & Spike as a couple. They were adorable together.

"It's all in the game."

In-deed.

Also, Dru doesn't want closure. By everything that's shown, being a vampire is OMG THE BEST THING EVER!!1 for Dru.

Jilli, I agree, that's why I mentioned that she enjoyed torturing Angel, not to make him pay for what he did to her but just because she likes to torture.

I miss Dru & Spike as a couple. They were adorable together.

Also this.

Yes, Spike & Dru were adorable and scary.

It’s not something the writers could have done

That's a weird sentence. I mean, for her to get closure, she'd have to be able to process it, which she patently can't. She's also not the soul that was tortured, although she is the meatsack and burnt out nerve endings and fucked up brain chemistry. There can be no closure while he lives, and even then.

However, it's pretty clear a parallel when the tortured turn the implements on the torturer, and Joss isn't dumb enough to not have noticed it (I'm giving Mark partial benefit of the doubt and assuming Joss didn't do it, you know, on purpose).

It’s not something the writers could have done, but it seemed like a conscious choice to include that in the script.

No, this sentence just isn't clear for me.