Glory: Lesson number one, Vampires equal impure! Spike: Damn right I'm impure, I'm as impure as the driven yellow snow!

'Dirty Girls'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2012 9:06:31 pm PST #8128 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He's clearly not stalking his friend--he's not around her unsolicited any more than Willow is, it's just normal friend stuff. He's not peering through her windows at night. I wouldn't even describe him as obsessed with a crush (I, on the other hand, do find that intensely disturbing--I just don't think Xander has gone to *any* extremes. He's just living in hope).

Did Mark make that leap? I'd hope not, for someone who dances around the world of words describing actual conditions existing on the screen to have the lack of empathy to do that.


DavidS - Jan 05, 2012 9:18:09 pm PST #8129 of 10459
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

There's a lot of complaint in the comments about Xander slut-shaming Cordelia. And trying to control Buffy's love life.


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2012 9:20:06 pm PST #8130 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

OMG, he's a lying sack of crap for that one time, but he's really not that invasive. He's clearly devoted to her for who she is, he's got her back as a friend, doesn't think she owes him sex, just that it would be really cool if he could get it. He's living in hope, and trying to nudge the game every now and again.

And Cordelia is everything-shaming everyone, So people insult her back? It's called fair play.


Polter-Cow - Jan 05, 2012 9:20:53 pm PST #8131 of 10459
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

No, he's irritated that he continues to be openly jealous of all men who are not him, but it's mostly some commenters who have the big hate-on for Xander, the horribly sexist Nice Guy who is everything that is wrong with men or whatever.


§ ita § - Jan 05, 2012 9:22:32 pm PST #8132 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That makes me sad, because that nice guy does exist. But Xander's not that guy. Which makes me wonder if some of them are that guy, but think they're not acting like Xander, so it's all good. I mean, someone's always that guy in a decently sized crowd.


Jessica - Jan 06, 2012 3:34:12 am PST #8133 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's a lot of complaint in the comments about Xander slut-shaming Cordelia. And trying to control Buffy's love life.

Well, yeah, he does that. But it's not like high school guys having GIANT blind spots that lead them to be be occasionally douchey to their female friends is all that unusual. It's pretty unreasonable to expect a 15 year-old from 1998 to act and think like a Pandagon blogger.


le nubian - Jan 06, 2012 3:44:08 am PST #8134 of 10459
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

But to bag on Xander - doesn't that miss the point a bit? Willow and Xander were both socially awkward with their own hangups before Buffy came along. Willow was completely hung up on Xander for years. And as stated, Cordelia was a fucking asshole before her character shift that went into Angel.

I thought the point of it is that they all kind of act like assholes during the course of the series and...this is high school.

Although Xander looks like a man, we cannot expect realistic 30 year old behavior from a character who is supposed to be a sophomore/junior.


Jessica - Jan 06, 2012 3:45:29 am PST #8135 of 10459
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

LeN, I completely agree.


sumi - Jan 06, 2012 4:34:12 am PST #8136 of 10459
Art Crawl!!!

I agree with LeN too.


P.M. Marc - Jan 06, 2012 7:06:04 am PST #8137 of 10459
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Eh, I think Xander does suffer from Nice Guy Syndrome. I don't hate him, but I want to punch him in the face a lot.