How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious.

Wash ,'Objects In Space'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Jars - Oct 13, 2010 11:09:31 am PDT #7568 of 10464

I always assumed that Cecily had become a vengeance demon at some point after she knew William, which I thought was a nice thought because she must have been spurned the way she spurned Spike. I just use the word spurned in a sentence, twice.

Was Halfrek meant to be older than that and thus my theory doesn't work?


SailAweigh - Oct 13, 2010 11:16:52 am PDT #7569 of 10464
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Was Halfrek meant to be older than that and thus my theory doesn't work?

I don't remember, but we know she was one by the time of the Russian Revolution from the Anya episode of season 7. I'm trying to remember if we were supposed to get a feeling that she was learning the ropes from Anya or if she'd been around for a while.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Oct 13, 2010 11:45:13 am PDT #7570 of 10464
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Fair 'nuff, Nora. I can see your point!

I always assumed that Cecily had become a vengeance demon at some point after she knew William, which I thought was a nice thought because she must have been spurned the way she spurned Spike.

I thought that too. But maybe I was reading in things that weren't there.


§ ita § - Oct 13, 2010 11:46:50 am PDT #7571 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She was already a vengeance demon at the time of the Crimean War, apparently, which means she was a demon by the time of Cecily.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Oct 13, 2010 11:48:02 am PDT #7572 of 10464
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

That answers that, then.


Jars - Oct 13, 2010 11:49:30 am PDT #7573 of 10464

She was already a vengeance demon at the time of the Crimean War, apparently, which means she was a demon by the time of Cecily.

Bang goes that theory.


Zenkitty - Oct 13, 2010 12:13:53 pm PDT #7574 of 10464
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I never cared that much. It didn't make any difference to the story if Cecily was Halfrek or not; Spike's origin would play out the same way.

I did think it was amusing that the torrid spurned love that set off the Terrible Saga of William the Bloody might have been, from her POV, just a minor nuisance in the work of Vengeance.


Daisy Jane - Oct 13, 2010 12:36:21 pm PDT #7575 of 10464
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

FTR: He didn't recognize her as Cecily. She said, "William?" and he gave her a questioning look.


§ ita § - Nov 22, 2010 10:48:15 am PST #7576 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Check out this press release:

LOS ANGELES, NOVEMBER 11, 2010 – Atlas Entertainment announced today it is rebooting the beloved franchise, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, with Warner Bros. Pictures. Atlas' Charles Roven and Steve Alexander will produce the feature film alongside Doug Davison and Roy Lee of Vertigo Entertainment (The Ring, How to Train Your Dragon, The Departed). Whit Anderson is writing the script.

Warner Bros. Pictures optioned the rights from creators Fran and Kaz Kuzui, and from Sandollar Productions (Sandy Gallin and Dolly Parton), for Atlas and Vertigo to produce. Buffy the Vampire Slayer first appeared as a film in 1992, subsequently becoming a cult hit and spawning the wildly popular television series starring Sarah Michelle Gellar and David Boreanaz, among many others.

"Whit approached us with an exciting idea about how to update Buffy," said Roven. "There is an active fan base eagerly awaiting this character's return to the big screen. We're thrilled to team up with Doug and Roy on a re-imagining of Buffy and the world she inhabits. Details of the film are being kept under wraps, but I can say while this is not your high school Buffy, she'll be just as witty, tough, and sexy as we all remember her to be."


DavidS - Nov 22, 2010 10:52:45 am PST #7577 of 10464
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Ugh. Didn't the Kuzuis already make a shit ton of money without doing anything on the Buffy franchise? Why they gotta go taking a shit all over my happy place?

There is no chance in the world they will do anything that will improve on the original.

Oh well. The Airbender movie came out and didn't ruin my love of the original animated Avatar: TLA.