And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! ... You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Nora Deirdre - Oct 13, 2010 9:23:52 am PDT #7565 of 10474
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I hated it with the burning hatred of a thousand suns. I did not like the sacrificing of story to fanwankery and wink wink nudge nudge. Are there not approximately a zillion actresses that could have played Halfrek or Cecily?

(you can probably find this more deeply bitched about by me during the actual season airing)


Steph L. - Oct 13, 2010 10:05:20 am PDT #7566 of 10474
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

The same actor who played the crazy-pills vamp in "Helpless" played magic-isn't-a-drug-no-really pusher Rack in S6.

And while I know trying to reconcile those 2 characters would have been harder than reconciling Cecily and Halfrek, it probably could have been done -- but it wasn't. Because it didn't have to. Much like Cecily and Halfrek.

Which is to say, I agree with Nora.

t edit Actually, didn't the actor who played Andrew also play one of Harmony's minions in S4?


Frankenbuddha - Oct 13, 2010 10:23:45 am PDT #7567 of 10474
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Harmony? Has minions?!?!??!?


Jars - Oct 13, 2010 11:09:31 am PDT #7568 of 10474

I always assumed that Cecily had become a vengeance demon at some point after she knew William, which I thought was a nice thought because she must have been spurned the way she spurned Spike. I just use the word spurned in a sentence, twice.

Was Halfrek meant to be older than that and thus my theory doesn't work?


SailAweigh - Oct 13, 2010 11:16:52 am PDT #7569 of 10474
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

Was Halfrek meant to be older than that and thus my theory doesn't work?

I don't remember, but we know she was one by the time of the Russian Revolution from the Anya episode of season 7. I'm trying to remember if we were supposed to get a feeling that she was learning the ropes from Anya or if she'd been around for a while.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Oct 13, 2010 11:45:13 am PDT #7570 of 10474
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Fair 'nuff, Nora. I can see your point!

I always assumed that Cecily had become a vengeance demon at some point after she knew William, which I thought was a nice thought because she must have been spurned the way she spurned Spike.

I thought that too. But maybe I was reading in things that weren't there.


§ ita § - Oct 13, 2010 11:46:50 am PDT #7571 of 10474
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She was already a vengeance demon at the time of the Crimean War, apparently, which means she was a demon by the time of Cecily.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Oct 13, 2010 11:48:02 am PDT #7572 of 10474
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

That answers that, then.


Jars - Oct 13, 2010 11:49:30 am PDT #7573 of 10474

She was already a vengeance demon at the time of the Crimean War, apparently, which means she was a demon by the time of Cecily.

Bang goes that theory.


Zenkitty - Oct 13, 2010 12:13:53 pm PDT #7574 of 10474
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I never cared that much. It didn't make any difference to the story if Cecily was Halfrek or not; Spike's origin would play out the same way.

I did think it was amusing that the torrid spurned love that set off the Terrible Saga of William the Bloody might have been, from her POV, just a minor nuisance in the work of Vengeance.