I liked Pylea because that's when Wesley became a hardass? leader? warrior?. I love that character development in him.
Murk: But you're a God! The Sacred Glorificus! Glory: I'm a God in exile. Far from the Hellfires of Home and sharing my body with an enemy that stabs my boys in their fleshy little stomachs!
'Dirty Girls'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
ChiKat - Nov 20, 2009 9:37:56 am PST #7228 of 10464
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 9:40:24 am PST #7229 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
One of the things that got me in The Gift was Spike breaking down in the background at the end
That moment made me start writing fanfic. I hated the idea of Spike being sad all summer. t /sap
erikaj - Nov 20, 2009 9:41:53 am PST #7230 of 10464
Always Anti-fascist!
"Every night I save you," Nope. Not over it.
Strega - Nov 20, 2009 9:42:08 am PST #7231 of 10464
It's not my favorite TV evah, but Angel S4 is totally the best thing to come from Mutant Enemy.
AtS always had problems with seasonal arcs and pacing
Unlike Buffy? I mean, they both had issues in those areas.
I don't they were trying to do the same kind of season-long arcs on Angel. Which makes comparing finales across the shows difficult, since they had different things to accomplish. Apart from Restless, on Buffy the finale featured a climactic battle against the Big Bad who has menaced them all season. Angel didn't have Big Bads, and the season's climax usually came several episodes before the finale.
(And then Darla said they'd go again.)
(Zing!)
DavidS - Nov 20, 2009 9:54:45 am PST #7232 of 10464
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Unlike Buffy? I mean, they both had issues in those areas.
BtVS:
S1 - Not much of an arc but "Prophecy Girl" ties everything together so well that it almost retroactively bends the season into an arc.
S2 - One of the best long storyline arcs in TV history. Just about perfect from the one-third mark of the season on.
S3 - Another really good arc (in the best season, per episode quality) somewhat undercut by the postponed episodes.
S4 - Terrible. WTF was Adam doing anyway?
S5 - Bleh.
S6 - Pretty great arc, actually. Some missteps with Willow's addiction to magic, but 50,000 Buffista fans yelling "Giles!" can't be wrong.
S7 - Good on paper, poor in execution. Maybe too arc focused in some respects, as they sacrificed a lot of shows to move the arc but the individual episodes weren't nearly as good.
Steph L. - Nov 20, 2009 10:05:02 am PST #7233 of 10464
I look more rad than Lutheranism
Now I'm going backwards, and watching The Wish. It's SO fucked-up. Mmmmm.
Ginger - Nov 20, 2009 10:11:30 am PST #7234 of 10464
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
My best season finale vote goes to Graduation Day. I liked the go down fighting end of Angel, but it was undercut by my irritation at the "Oh, by the way, this whole season has been leading up to an apocalypse" set up and the fact that I discovered that there could be something more annoying than living Fred and that was dying Fred.
Zenkitty - Nov 20, 2009 10:14:49 am PST #7235 of 10464
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
I could not stand Fred, and yet her death tore my heart out.
le nubian - Nov 20, 2009 1:21:48 pm PST #7236 of 10464
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I grew to like Fred, but I didn't like the Fred romantic drama - if that makes any sense.
The Fred death was a bit too much. It was like Bobby Simone's death on NYPD Blue. So much drama and drawn out. I kept looking for a Greek chorus.
§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 1:24:14 pm PST #7237 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I started out liking Fred (blood hand! how much did that rock?) but the repetition of "Handsome man! Saved me from the monsters!" in the previews unfairly eroded my liking of her. And then her character was erratically written. But she had moments.