Zoe: Captain will come up with a plan. Kaylee: That's good. Right? Zoe: Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.

'Safe'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 1:39:48 pm PST #7238 of 10464
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

"Fredless" was pretty effective at killing any positive feelings I had for the character, though I liked her in her first few episodes.

"Prophecy Girl" is both my favorite finale and my favorite hour of television, ever.


Mala - Nov 20, 2009 2:20:07 pm PST #7239 of 10464

I liked Chosen just because it ends with Buffy happy and relieved. I wanted that for her. But otherwise it was weak. Not Fade Away actively pisses me off. I wish I weren't one of those canon-ignoring people, but Home is the finale I wanted Angel to have. Love S4, lovelovelove.

I liked Pylea; it had great Wes, Angel, and Cordy stuff, and gave us Fred. No bad there for me, as I love Fred in every little way.


billytea - Nov 20, 2009 3:41:05 pm PST #7240 of 10464
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Becoming for me. I've rarely been that powerfully affected by a TV episode. I agree with Hec - Buffy S2 and S3 are my favourites, in that order - S2 wins on the arc, S3 on individual ep quality.

I didn't like Pylea at the time (I agree with ita - too much whiplash from the rest of S2), though it's grown on me.

I liked Fred, was royally pissed off when they killed her off, and just ignore Fredless. The only good to come of either of those was setting up Wesley suffer all over again in The Girl in Question.


Strega - Nov 20, 2009 5:20:14 pm PST #7241 of 10464

"Handsome man! Saved me from the monsters!"

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAaaaaa

...ah.

Sorry. Still it burns.

And I know it's unfair to blame the show for the previouslies. But I had to endure them and SOMEONE MUST PAY.

S6 - Pretty great arc, actually.

How so? For me, it's the problem where the parts that are original aren't good, and the parts that are good aren't original. And... overall: meh. Whedon could have said something interesting about how the villains were exactly the same sort of people who would have been the heroes in the early seasons... but he didn't. The whole season is an interesting might-have-been for me. There's a lot of stuff in play that could be really juicy, and at every stage they took the easy way out. So it all feels very sour and cheap.

It's interesting people keep mentioning Fredless. Because to me, yeah, it's bad, but it's not notably bad in retrospect. All of the sidekick-delving episodes of Angel are kind of horrid, honestly, but I think Supersymmetry is much more egregious, and we won't even get into Gunn's truck. Or TFWITW.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2009 5:24:32 pm PST #7242 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I blamed Tim to his face for that previously. Hives.

I don't remember enough about Fredless to hate it. I need to finish my rewatch.


Strega - Nov 20, 2009 5:36:14 pm PST #7243 of 10464

I don't think Fredless is so bad. By itself. The Burkles are cute, and there are good moments, and I still think the insect-monsters-demon-puppets are fucking cool. It's mostly the manipulation of the story-as-told (where we're supposed to think the Burkles are EEeevil, even though they obviously aren't) that's immensely irritating.

I think Angel S3 works a lot better in a marathon than it did when it aired in chunks interspersed with reruns. It's still terribly flawed, but in retrospect I love the DOOMDOOMDOOMED of it all.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 20, 2009 6:36:20 pm PST #7244 of 10464
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

For me it's notable because it marked Fred becoming an official member of the team (for no good reason that I could see, when she was given a chance to recuperate with her parents away from the hotel that some deadly enemy attacked every week as an alternative) and the point at which Season 3, which I absolutely loved the first four episodes of, began its freefall of story quality.


Steph L. - Nov 24, 2009 11:52:13 am PST #7245 of 10464
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Earlier today, I was out running errands, listening to the car radio (remember those?).

"We Are the Champions" STILL makes me giggle every single time I hear it, because all I can picture are drunk!singing!Cordy, Wes, and Gunn.


Calli - Nov 26, 2009 2:27:56 am PST #7246 of 10464
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Since I'm home on Thursday I thought I'd channel surf while waiting for the Macy's parade to start. I'd forgotten that TNT was the David Boreanaz channel—starting the day with Angel and ending with Bones.

Sadly, the episode on right now is She. At least we get to see Angel get all art/poet critic for a few minutes.


Nora Deirdre - Nov 26, 2009 4:37:34 am PST #7247 of 10464
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I have been enjoying Bones lately- it makes me laugh, often.