Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.

Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Sue - Aug 16, 2008 7:50:35 am PDT #6551 of 10467
hip deep in pie

You know what? Even though I was totally spoiled for Angel's death, When I finally saw it, I still sat there thinking, "I can't believe they motherfucking did it!" But it excited me, that Joss would go there.

I think I was most emotionally affected by Joyce's, which surprised me, because I never really liked the character. Also Doyle, because he was such a great character, and the show was so new, even though I knew there was meta reasons for killing the charcter off. Doyle was the first kill that gave Tim his rep for killing off beloved characters.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 16, 2008 10:59:06 am PDT #6552 of 10467
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Honestly - the death that shocked me the most? Was the woman Angel randomly killed after sleeping with Buffy. And then I spent the entire next episode waiting for them to find the solution to him losing his soul. And they didn't. That's when I knew I was in a whole other world than your average TV (though DS9 and Twin Peaks had pulled stuff similar enough that it wasn't a totally unprecedented type of plot twist).


SailAweigh - Aug 16, 2008 11:13:59 am PDT #6553 of 10467
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I think Tara was the most shocking to me. Somehow, since Tara had already been mind-sucked in season 5, I sort of felt like she should get a pass on anything else happening to her. She'd passed the immunity challenge, ya know? So, yeah, shocking to me.

Sad, was Joyce. Too personally resonant as I saw it right before my mother passed away, while she was in chemo. So, it kinda felt like an omen and I could barely watch it. I think I nearly threw up when Buffy did.


libkitty - Aug 16, 2008 5:11:45 pm PDT #6554 of 10467
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

When Doyle died I went on imdb to see what Glenn Quinn was up to lately. Finding out the actor was dead too left me feeling hollow for days. I still get choked up when I see him on Roseanne reruns.

This. I saw it earlier, but never thought to look him up until I had the DVDs. I was hoping to find the DVDs for his British series, but no such luck. Quinn was just brilliant, and I'm still saddened that he's no longer with us.

Of the TV deaths, I think that most hit me hard. Joss and company are good at that. I was more saddened, perhaps, by some of the others, but Joyce's felt the most real. For the others, I was transported to the verse, and saddened there. For Joyce's, I could well imagine that was my mom, and I was saddened here, at home.


Shir - Aug 16, 2008 7:30:12 pm PDT #6555 of 10467
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I'm Cass, though I have to say Buffy's death becomes more and more chocking for me as the time passes and my hating for the character is dying and fading away. In that hating, I must say, there was a lot of misunderstanding and secret love.

Of TV deaths I've watched, I think the one affected me the most was Nate in Six Feet Under. The episode later, where they deal with the consequences - I was crying through half of it so much that I had to rerun it because I couldn't see anything through the screen of tears.


Wolfram - Aug 18, 2008 9:32:53 am PDT #6556 of 10467
Visilurking

a) Tara - saddest because it was random and senseless, and so not the way they should die. It's like she was cheated from dying a "good" kind of death. Like a heroes' death in battle. Or a natural death. They were all soldiers who could have died a bunch of times in battle. And when Glory brain-sucked her, well at least she was the target and it was understandable that she suffered because Willow loved her. But to die from Warren's stupid stray bullet, and she wasn't even in the fight, or participating in anything at that moment except having a happy moment with Willow, and then...it's just so random and sad.

b) Joyce - hit hardest because we spent time with the gang as they dealt with the death. Hit hardest because we were there for all of it. The death. The paramedics. The funeral. The mourning. The processing, and dealing, and trying to understand, and not understanding. We were with Buffy when she told Dawn, and we were with Dawn when she was painting and happy and then...Hit hardest because they (the writers) made us stay.


Glamcookie - Aug 18, 2008 12:46:20 pm PDT #6557 of 10467
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Of all the people in the Jossverse who've died, whose death would you say
a) was the saddest and/or
b) hit you the hardest?

a) Buffy/Tara. I have to have a tie as they both made me cry and cry. That music they play when Buffy dives off that tower gets me every time. It occasionally comes up when I shuffle and I practically tear up. Tara's was just horrible. She was sweet and good and taken way too soon. Poor Tara and poor Willow.

b) Joyce. That was a gut-punch of an ep and Buffy and Dawn both had me in tears at different points of the ep. Even the follow up ep had me teary at the end when Buffy and Dawn just hold each other and drop to the ground, sobbing. Sniff.


Stephanie - Aug 18, 2008 1:10:27 pm PDT #6558 of 10467
Trust my rage

The thing, for me, about Joyce's death was that, as Wolfram says, you see Dawn in the moments before. That scene has always sort of haunted me - the happy part - because you never know when your last moment of normal will be.


Glamcookie - Aug 18, 2008 1:24:58 pm PDT #6559 of 10467
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Yes, that was heartbreaking. Her scene breaking down in the hall at school gets me every time, too. Beautifully done.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 18, 2008 2:37:51 pm PDT #6560 of 10467
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Ok, now I am tearing up thinking about Dawn, and the nice boy in art class, and...and.... fruit punch!!!

Unfortunately, I was accidently spoiled for Tara and the whole bathroom scene as well, and I could not "enjoy" that episode, because I was just really angry.