Mal: He calls back, you keep them occupied. Wash: What do I do, shadow puppets?

'The Message'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Glamcookie - Aug 18, 2008 12:46:20 pm PDT #6557 of 10467
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Of all the people in the Jossverse who've died, whose death would you say
a) was the saddest and/or
b) hit you the hardest?

a) Buffy/Tara. I have to have a tie as they both made me cry and cry. That music they play when Buffy dives off that tower gets me every time. It occasionally comes up when I shuffle and I practically tear up. Tara's was just horrible. She was sweet and good and taken way too soon. Poor Tara and poor Willow.

b) Joyce. That was a gut-punch of an ep and Buffy and Dawn both had me in tears at different points of the ep. Even the follow up ep had me teary at the end when Buffy and Dawn just hold each other and drop to the ground, sobbing. Sniff.


Stephanie - Aug 18, 2008 1:10:27 pm PDT #6558 of 10467
Trust my rage

The thing, for me, about Joyce's death was that, as Wolfram says, you see Dawn in the moments before. That scene has always sort of haunted me - the happy part - because you never know when your last moment of normal will be.


Glamcookie - Aug 18, 2008 1:24:58 pm PDT #6559 of 10467
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Yes, that was heartbreaking. Her scene breaking down in the hall at school gets me every time, too. Beautifully done.


Sophia Brooks - Aug 18, 2008 2:37:51 pm PDT #6560 of 10467
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Ok, now I am tearing up thinking about Dawn, and the nice boy in art class, and...and.... fruit punch!!!

Unfortunately, I was accidently spoiled for Tara and the whole bathroom scene as well, and I could not "enjoy" that episode, because I was just really angry.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 5:24:10 pm PDT #6561 of 10467
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I have to think about which death was hardest. Oddly, I'm leaning towards Fred, since they/we were left with her shell walking around as Illyria.

But what I wanted to say was that, as The Boy and I are watching BTVS and Angel all the way through in order (first time for him), we just got to Fool For Love/Darla, and I forgot how good FFL was. And I don't mean that in a "Spike ROOOOOLZ!!!1!" way; I mean the bit in the beginning where Buffy is talking to Giles and she wants to know why the Watchers didn't keep records of how their Slayers died, and Giles has that great delivery on "....painful." Meep.

And really, FFL was when JM was still reined in from chewing the scenery, and we got to see his ignominous past as William the bloody awful poet, and all Sex Pistoled up killing the Slayer on the subway, and -- oh, the subway scene!

The way the subway and alley scenes are intercut still blow me away. I think the editing on that section was flawless.

And Spike gets to make the "Death Is Your Art" speech, which is SO true, and poignant because we know what's coming in The Gift.

And then! The ending hit me completely differently this time than it did when it first aired. I'd seen it a kajillion times, because I loved this episode all along, so I re-watched it a ton, and then end, with Spike comforting Buffy, always just made me say Awwwww. But it's been a handful of years since I saw it, and that distance just made it really stand out to me how unexpected and yet totally in character it was for Spike to sit down next to Buffy and try to be comforting. That it was the only thing he could have done, and yet it was so unexpected.

And yes, I do mean unexpected even though I'd seen it a kajillion times before.

Good stuff, man.


Vortex - Aug 18, 2008 5:47:49 pm PDT #6562 of 10467
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I love how I see something new in almost every episode.


brenda m - Aug 18, 2008 5:50:52 pm PDT #6563 of 10467
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Damn, I need to rewatch that.


victor infante - Aug 19, 2008 6:09:47 am PDT #6564 of 10467
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Quick question: I'm in a Buffyverse RPG on Livejournal (Dear God, there are more nerd points associated with that sentence than I ever thought possible) and I need to double check a bit of continuity.

Have Buffy and Lindsey ever met?


Steph L. - Aug 19, 2008 6:15:07 am PDT #6565 of 10467
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Nope.


victor infante - Aug 19, 2008 6:16:17 am PDT #6566 of 10467
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Nope.

That was my thought, too, but it's nice to have it confirmed.