Honestly, any time I yell Fuck you Joss at the screen is a good thing.

Matt watched the whole thing through with no break. except for more scotch. I kept telling him -- no,wait ,don't sip now.

and as per usual no one was close to the real end. But then part of me remembered that dying isn't always permanent in the Joss verse. and I also though-- not growing, which Penny didn't, is a kind of death. Besides, it left captain tool crying on the couch and put Dr> Horrible in red.

I'm with Vonnie.

sigh. Well, 2/3s of it didn't trigger feminist rage issues. And NPH was very, very good. But then they had to go and STUFF HER IN THE FRIDGE. JESUSFUCK, MEN, DO YOU LEARN NOTHING?????

I don't know she had doubts, yet refused to listen to them. The men in her life didn't see her as a complete being

I do agree the last ep wasn't as satisfying, but it was also several minutes shorter in order to include the credits. It lacked a final twist/gag. Although I have to say, having now seen Bad Horse, the line "or he'll make you his mare" is even funnier.

I thought it was great. Perfect ending of an origin story. And fridge? What?

I just wanna cry . And I wanna see more. I totally missed my grrr, argh. I didn't realize quite how much. This can't be all there is! There should be more. I want more. With more music, and funny, and clever, and, and, MORE.

And yes, it could be Tim , but it still feels like classic Joss to me.

eta: I know this is Buffistas, and we're supposed to be all coherent in our passion, and not all blobbering fangurl, but I can't help it. It's been so long. With this short webcast, Joss and company have turned me into a blathering idiot.

Actually , the more I think about Penny the more I know her non- place in the world was Very deliberate -- in the paper after her death ,she was called 'what's her name". In comic books/ superhero stories the victim is only there so the hero and villain have a reason to fight. GFs are only there to die tragically or to plotted against by the villain and be rescued by the hero. And since this was a spoof...

Hmm... as a spoof, it's just this side of too sincere to work for me. Were it more clearly spoofing, and had there not been previous clearly and utterly sincere variations on the trope in ME history, I'd probably be less uncomfortable.

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I see your point Plei, but for me it wasn't her death that bothered me so much as that it didn't have a strong enough visual/narrative payoff.

Yeah, that doesn't work for me, Plei, but then I save my feminist rage for other things. Typical Joss Whedon just doesn't push those buttons.

I knew that it was going to end that way for someone. And it is the perfect set up for a sequel.