Actually , the more I think about Penny the more I know her non- place in the world was Very deliberate -- in the paper after her death ,she was called 'what's her name". In comic books/ superhero stories the victim is only there so the hero and villain have a reason to fight. GFs are only there to die tragically or to plotted against by the villain and be rescued by the hero. And since this was a spoof...
Oh! I know this one! 'Slaying entails certain sacrifices, blah blah blahbity blah, I'm so stuffy, gimme a scone.'
Buffy ,'Help'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
beth b - Jul 18, 2008 8:53:59 pm PDT #6242 of 10467
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!
P.M. Marc - Jul 18, 2008 8:58:30 pm PDT #6243 of 10467
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Hmm... as a spoof, it's just this side of too sincere to work for me. Were it more clearly spoofing, and had there not been previous clearly and utterly sincere variations on the trope in ME history, I'd probably be less uncomfortable.
Tamara: [link]
Burrell - Jul 18, 2008 9:08:56 pm PDT #6244 of 10467
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I see your point Plei, but for me it wasn't her death that bothered me so much as that it didn't have a strong enough visual/narrative payoff.
Tamara - Jul 18, 2008 9:13:39 pm PDT #6245 of 10467
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
Yeah, that doesn't work for me, Plei, but then I save my feminist rage for other things. Typical Joss Whedon just doesn't push those buttons.
I knew that it was going to end that way for someone. And it is the perfect set up for a sequel.
P.M. Marc - Jul 18, 2008 9:14:52 pm PDT #6246 of 10467
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Burrell, the shallow part of what irks me about that particular trope is that it's SUCH fucking shorthand, and I've seen it SO often, so for me, it never ends up feeling earned. And maybe they could have pulled it off with four acts, or with broader performances all around (Side note, when NPH strides in and is doing the full-on Dr. Horrible in control thing after freezing The Hammer? Damn, he was scary. He'd be a good Judas in JC Superstar.), but it didn't work for me there.
P.M. Marc - Jul 18, 2008 9:18:48 pm PDT #6247 of 10467
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Joss has pushed them for me a few times.
See also, A Hole in the World. Where he was pushing them like someone frantically trying to get a crosswalk signal to switch over to walk already. I blame comic books for this reaction. Although I have to say, in Veronica Mars S1's finale I almost laughed myself sick when they stuck her in AN ACTUAL FRIDGE WHERE SHE HAD TO BE RESCUED, which I'm pretty certain wasn't intended to make me think of what it did. But oh, man. That was comedy gold.
Burrell - Jul 18, 2008 9:22:46 pm PDT #6248 of 10467
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
You are right about it not feeling earned, perhaps needing another act. Oh and also about NPH making a wonderful Judas.
Okay, I better get to bed so I can wake when the monkey boy gets up.
d - Jul 18, 2008 9:23:21 pm PDT #6249 of 10467
It's nice to see some brave pretenders trying to make it interesting.
Damn but the "streaming" sucks. I'm a little WTF, but since I can't really watch it without tearing my hair out it's moot.
P.M. Marc - Jul 18, 2008 9:28:37 pm PDT #6250 of 10467
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
All told, it was all worth it for the NPH.
I wish I could claim my NPH affection dates back to Doogie, but sadly, it's just to Starship Troopers, but I must say, he's one of those actors where I'm THRILLED when other people notice that he's made of 100% awesomecakes.
Shir - Jul 18, 2008 11:15:59 pm PDT #6251 of 10467
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
O Hai, I'll just watch part II on repeat and pretend that part III never happened, OK?
He did it again. I'm totally with the "you're telling it wrong!" feeling from The Princess Bride, mixed with the feeling of seeing Anya with a sword stucked in her after the singing flashback in "Selfless".
This was written after watching part III for the first time. I'm now gonna do it again (heh, I typoed "not" instead of "now"). Wish me luck.
Edit to add that NPH rulez111!.