Wesley: I stabbed you. I should apologize for that. But I'm honestly not sure how. I think it'll just be awkward. Gunn: Good call. Wesley: Okay.

'Time Bomb'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Polter-Cow - Jul 01, 2008 10:49:42 am PDT #6027 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

According to DH.net, they will "air" online only until July 20.

If you mean length, I think it's three ten-minute episodes.


Juliebird - Jul 01, 2008 10:55:18 am PDT #6028 of 10469
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

Thanks, P-C! I was afraid that they'd be two and half minutes long, but a total of thirty minutes is much nicer.


Steph L. - Jul 07, 2008 3:57:29 pm PDT #6029 of 10469
I look more rad than Lutheranism

As The Boy and I are working our way through BTVS and Angel (he'd never seen them before); we finished Buffy S4 within the past month, and tonight we watched "To Shanshu in LA," and knowing what I know is all going to happen makes me sad, eager, giggly, and really impressed with the storytelling across seasons.

In "To Shanshu," I had forgotten that Wes gets blown up when Angel's cool-ass Batcave gets exploded, and there's that brief scene where Angel goes to unconscious!Wes's hospital room and stands looking at him, and all I could think of was Angel doing the same thing after Holtz kidnapped Connor. And I thought, Holy Crap, that really IS some excellent storytelling.

Everything ripples forward and backward, and the echoes are lovely.

And Wes really IS the universe's bitch, isn't he? And he's SO pretty when he's suffering.


Lee - Jul 07, 2008 4:55:18 pm PDT #6030 of 10469
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

And Wes really IS the universe's bitch, isn't he? And he's SO pretty when he's suffering.

Not as much as Dean is.

runs away


P.M. Marc - Jul 07, 2008 5:04:26 pm PDT #6031 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Ooo! We could discuss Archetypes of Suffering or something now! It'd be FUN!

Umm.


Beverly - Jul 07, 2008 5:06:51 pm PDT #6032 of 10469
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Prettiest suffers most? Prettiest gets whammied hardest? More suffering makes one prettier?

'cause I gotta say, geeky Wes just wasn't all that pretty. Boy got his angst on though and, whoa mama, there's the pretty.


Tamara - Jul 07, 2008 5:29:59 pm PDT #6033 of 10469
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

I'm rewatching Season 5 and Wesley just breaks my heart at every turn. And so very very pretty.


Steph L. - Jul 07, 2008 6:14:09 pm PDT #6034 of 10469
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And Wes really IS the universe's bitch, isn't he? And he's SO pretty when he's suffering.

Not as much as Dean is.

I know not this "Dean" of which you speak.

(La la la.)

Ooo! We could discuss Archetypes of Suffering or something now! It'd be FUN!

As much as I absolutely believe that, in "5 x 5", the moment when Wes made it to the alley and saw Angel hugging Faith rather than killing her was his big Jason Todd moment*, I can't really make him map very well onto Jay otherwise.

*(Say what you will about Judd Winick [and I know this is the wrong thread -- nay, the wrong FORUM -- for this], he so completely NAILED Jason's angst when Jason confronted Batman about why the Joker was still walking around and not pushing up daisies.)

[This was all, of course, after Jason made like Buffy and clawed his way out of his own coffin when he came back from the dead after Super-Boy Prime (say it with me) PUNCHED A HOLE IN REALITY.]

Anyway, when Jason had the big hi-I'm-Red-Hood-now post-resurrection confrontation with Batman, he was all, WTF is WRONG with you, man?!? If things had been reversed, and the Joker had killed you, *I* would have scoured the planet, I wouldn't have rested until I killed him!

And I think that maps very well onto Wes in that rainy alley. That whole situation of "if things had been reversed and Faith had nearly killed YOU, *I* would have killed her if it had remotely been in my power, but since you *aren't* killing her, WTF is wrong with you, man, and oh, by the way, HELLO BETRAYAL!!!"

The Boy has pointed out that perhaps I'm a little too obsessed with fictional people.

(I also still want to read a fic where Buffy and Jason sit around and drink beer and talk about how shitty it is to claw your way out of your own coffin.)


P.M. Marc - Jul 07, 2008 6:36:21 pm PDT #6035 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I totally agree.

Really, Wes is sort of like Robins 1-3 rolled up in one delightful package. You can't map him to a single Robin, but you can map a lot of his moments TO Robins.

I find tortured characters happy-making. But they're all so tortured in so many different ways! Like, Dean's Emo Man Pain is SO different from Wesley's Emo Man Pain (though Wesley's Emo Man Pain is kind of a hybrid of Sam's and Dean's, if we're looking at Man Pain flavors and attempting to map/blend them).


DavidS - Jul 07, 2008 7:00:07 pm PDT #6036 of 10469
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Really, Wes is sort of like Robins 1-3 rolled up in one delightful package. You can't map him to a single Robin, but you can map a lot of his moments TO Robins.

Please to explicate and elaborate.

Like, Dean's Emo Man Pain is SO different from Wesley's Emo Man Pain (though Wesley's Emo Man Pain is kind of a hybrid of Sam's and Dean's, if we're looking at Man Pain flavors and attempting to map/blend them).

...and be specific.