You've got my support. Just think of me as...as your... You know, I'm searching for 'supportive things' and I'm coming up all bras.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 08, 2005 1:36:35 pm PDT #585 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think Perkins' take on it is mine. Angel's love for Buffy may have burned a little brighter in that first year, while they were a couple, but I don't think it was sustainable. And by the time he really got into the mission instead of skulking around and helping occasionally, they weren't really a couple anymore. I see his heroic actions from that point on as more guilt/making amends-motivated than inspired by Buffy.

Buffy.

Angel killed Darla for her.

Remember how very near a thing that was at the time, despite Angel being nominally committed to fighting evil at that point.


Fred Pete - May 08, 2005 4:40:44 pm PDT #586 of 10458
Ann, that's a ferret.

Darla. Her turning him set the course for his entire (un)life. Without Darla, he's Liam, an obscure 18th century Irish squire. Maybe he grows up/into his role in society, maybe not.

Without Darla, B/A never happens.


Vortex - May 09, 2005 5:16:23 am PDT #587 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Who do you think was more important to Angel, Darla or Buffy?

I'm having a preposition issue. TO Angel or FOR Angel? Because I think that the answer is different.


Lee - May 09, 2005 5:31:32 am PDT #588 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I was wondering if someone would, Vortex. I think you can make it one or both, as you see fit.


Vortex - May 09, 2005 7:19:25 am PDT #589 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

If it's who was more important TO Angel, I'd say Buffy, hands down. If for no other reason that he staked Darla to save her. When Buffy needed him, he was there.

When you say FOR Angel, that's a tossup. On the one hand, Buffy made him want to be a better man. OTOH, we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for Darla.


Lyra Jane - May 09, 2005 8:54:02 am PDT #590 of 10458
Up with the sun

Darla.

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.


Dana - May 09, 2005 8:55:32 am PDT #591 of 10458
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Only 'cause he had a TV show.


Vortex - May 09, 2005 9:03:50 am PDT #592 of 10458
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.

ooh, good point. But, in all fairness, he was all soul having for the first time, so that was apparently all traumatic. Though it only took Spike half a season or so to get over it.


Frankenbuddha - May 09, 2005 9:07:19 am PDT #593 of 10458
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Though it only took Spike half a season or so to get over it.

Spike had issues, but they were not the same issues that Angel had. Plus, he'd already had couple of years of not being able to be so evil, and then tried to be actively good for a bit.


Topic!Cindy - May 09, 2005 9:11:50 am PDT #594 of 10458
What is even happening?

Darla.

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.

Yes, of course this ignores that it was Buffy who inspired him to get out of the gutter, and he didn't even know her, then. It also ignores that when Darla tried to take him back (in the BtVS s1 episode Angel,) that he didn't go.

edited to correct parens