If it's who was more important TO Angel, I'd say Buffy, hands down. If for no other reason that he staked Darla to save her. When Buffy needed him, he was there.

When you say FOR Angel, that's a tossup. On the one hand, Buffy made him want to be a better man. OTOH, we wouldn't be where we are if it wasn't for Darla.

Darla.

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.

Only 'cause he had a TV show.

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.

ooh, good point. But, in all fairness, he was all soul having for the first time, so that was apparently all traumatic. Though it only took Spike half a season or so to get over it.

Though it only took Spike half a season or so to get over it.

Spike had issues, but they were not the same issues that Angel had. Plus, he'd already had couple of years of not being able to be so evil, and then tried to be actively good for a bit.

Darla.

After he left Darla, he spent a hundred years eating rats in gutters. After he left Buffy, he sulked for a year or two and then started looking for a new sweetie.

Yes, of course this ignores that it was Buffy who inspired him to get out of the gutter, and he didn't even know her, then. It also ignores that when Darla tried to take him back (in the BtVS s1 episode Angel,) that he didn't go.

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Um, that wasn't an entirely serious post, Cindy. But yes, point taken.

This is hard- without Darla, no Buffy. Without Buffy, probably no leaving for Los Angelas and starting a supernatural detective agency and, you know, no final battle in which he is on the side of good. Of course, that could be because of the curse, and I can't quite remember whose fault that was....

In the span of Angel's life, it seems that Darla was important longer than Buffy. Buffy was important as Buffy-the-woman for it, seems 3 -4 year, and as Buffy-the-symbol-for all-that-is-good-and-pure until the end of Angel. But for all that Darla was "first", Buffy/Angel seems like a first love, and Darla and Angel and the enormously convuluted entwined,overlapping relationship.

I did like what plei (I think) said about Angelus consumed with the need to kill Buffy, while Angel was consumed with the need to save Darla-- even though Angelus loved Darla and Angel loved Buffy. It is a rather beautiful set-up.

I'm weighing in with Plei, kind of.

To *and* for Angelus, Darla was the most important. But to *and* for Angel, I think it was Buffy. I don't think, soul-having or not, Angel really became Angel until Buffy, and not even all at once. I don't think he was truly Angel until the S1 episode "Darla", in fact.

Liam became Angelus at Darla's hand (er, fangs) and even after the gypsies cursed him with a soul, I think it was the loss of his partner that hurt as bad as the guilt. I think that was part of the pain, too -- the things he did for her and with her, and the memory of the pleasure.

The creature Whistler found in that alley wasn't Angel yet -- he didn't become Angel until he'd spent some time with Buffy. And even after it was clear that they wouldn't be able to stay together, I think it was Buffy's influence on Angel that drove his actions with Darla later.

I see his heroic actions from that point on as more guilt/making amends-motivated than inspired by Buffy.

I disagree. I think he made the choices he made based on his love for Buffy, and his respect for her actions.

And I say all this because I think Angel saw himself and Angelus as two very separate creatures.

And I say all this because I think Angel saw himself and Angelus as two very separate creatures.

Here's where we differ... I don't think he saw them as separate at all. He may have regarded himself as being a different sort of person when soulless as opposed to post-Gypsy curse, but at least up through Season 1 of his own show Angel refered to his evil past in the first person. I think there was a very basic continuity of identity there. (Otherwise how could he feel guilt—perhaps his defining emotion—over things done by somebody else wearing his face?)