This corner is complaining about Spike not so much taking over Buffy, but continuing to be shoehorned in as a main character after his story had ended. At the very latest, he should have been staked in "Seeing Red." I'm not so sure he really belonged in Angel, and the PTB never really figured out what his story should be, but he didn't seem to create the same imbalance.
Flames wouldn't be eternal if they actually consumed anything.
Lilah ,'Not Fade Away'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Fred Pete - Sep 27, 2007 9:54:54 am PDT #5408 of 10469
Ann, that's a ferret.
Strega - Sep 27, 2007 10:25:15 am PDT #5409 of 10469
Some of the Spike stuff on Angel works better for me in retrospect, after it was clear that they were using Spike to highlight things about Angel.
But a lot of it, especially in the earlier episodes, was tiresome. I feel like there were scenes where he'd pop in, remind people that he was a ghost, and wander out, and I'd be like, "What was the point of that?"
Frankenbuddha - Sep 27, 2007 10:39:01 am PDT #5410 of 10469
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
A couple of Spike's pop-ins were hilarious. Not so much during the ghost era, but his small bits in SMILE TIME were priceless. Of course, since I find peeved Angel funny, peeved Puppet!Angel was exponentially funny, and Spike can bring the peeve out of Angel like almost no other charcter.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 27, 2007 10:50:01 am PDT #5411 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
The saving grace, I think, was that Spike inspired hostility and guilt in Angel, as opposed to the addlebrained rationalization and mooning he evoked from Buffy. I'd much rather listen to Angel bitch someone out than hear Buffy whine the Nth variation of "But he has a soul now!"
P.M. Marc - Sep 28, 2007 7:33:54 am PDT #5412 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
The saving grace, I think, was that Spike inspired hostility and guilt in Angel, as opposed to the addlebrained rationalization and mooning he evoked from Buffy. I'd much rather listen to Angel bitch someone out than hear Buffy whine the Nth variation of "But he has a soul now!"
True, that.
This corner is complaining about Spike not so much taking over Buffy, but continuing to be shoehorned in as a main character after his story had ended. At the very latest, he should have been staked in "Seeing Red." I'm not so sure he really belonged in Angel, and the PTB never really figured out what his story should be, but he didn't seem to create the same imbalance.
And this.
orkhan - Oct 07, 2007 8:21:09 pm PDT #5413 of 10469
Whoa, sorry to just pop-in during the 3rd reel of the movie, but what do you mean Spike didn't belong on Angel? He was one of the very best things about it, hands down.
Dana - Oct 08, 2007 3:44:11 am PDT #5414 of 10469
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
t grabs popcorn
askye - Oct 08, 2007 3:56:50 am PDT #5415 of 10469
Thrive to spite them
orkhan, there are several reasons for this.
One, the WB pretty much told the show runners Spike had to be a regular or the show wasn't going to be continued, which made some people unhappy with the outside influence on the show.( Especially since they cancelled it anyway.) Some people felt this really interfered with the storytelling of the season because Joss & Co weren't free to do whatever they wanted they had to work around the network's demands.
Second, some people weren't happy with the character development of Spike on BtVS and didn't like the character he had become in the later seasons and were fine with his storyline ending.
Jessica - Oct 08, 2007 4:01:09 am PDT #5416 of 10469
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Show Not Called Spike!
(Okay, just had to get that out of my system. Dana, can I have some popcorn?)
Dana - Oct 08, 2007 4:04:52 am PDT #5417 of 10469
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
t passes Jessica the popcorn