Eggs. The living legend needs eggs. Or maybe another milk.

Jayne ,'Jaynestown'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 4:31:47 am PDT #5418 of 10469
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Second, some people weren't happy with the character development of Spike on BtVS and didn't like the character he had become in the later seasons and were fine with his storyline ending.

And just FTR, some of us were happy with the character on Buffy and were fine with his storyline ending.


JZ - Oct 08, 2007 5:22:47 am PDT #5419 of 10469
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I'm with brenda, with the caveat that I just finished a rewatch of "Smile Time," and I'm feeling all sorts of warm fuzzies for "You're a wee little puppet man!" and Spike getting the crap beaten out of him while he dissolves in giggles. That scene alone is very nearly all the justification you need for his S5ness.


Connie Neil - Oct 08, 2007 6:02:26 am PDT #5420 of 10469
brillig

And some of us were thrilled to pieces to see Spike show up on Angel and to have more details given on how the two of them have gotten along through the years.

Your Spike-On-Angel May Vary.


sumi - Oct 08, 2007 6:06:29 am PDT #5421 of 10469
Art Crawl!!!

I enjoyed season 5 of Angel very much.


Laga - Oct 08, 2007 9:14:01 am PDT #5422 of 10469
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I love Spike to pieces and the fan girl in me eats him up in every episode of Buffy and Angel I can catch. The critic in me feels that the ending of Buffy Season Seven was kinda lamed up by Spike saving the day. Spike's magic amulet act made all the other efforts to close the hellmouth superfluous. If the scoobies had know what was going to happen they could have just chucked Spike at the hole and made a run for it. I really feel the best and most artistic end for his character arc would have been a casual staking at the hands of Buffy during season five. You annoy me. [poof!] The fan girl in me sputters, "but the SS Uniform! mrrowr!"


Ginger - Oct 08, 2007 9:16:17 am PDT #5423 of 10469
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I liked Spike when he was evil. He was just annoying and unnecessary with a soul.


Connie Neil - Oct 08, 2007 9:27:59 am PDT #5424 of 10469
brillig

The line "There's a hole in the world. You'd think we would have noticed" always makes me shiver. And then Angel actually looking to Spike for help on a moral decision . . .

Angel having to confront Spike and all that history was wonderful, to me. Oh, yeah, there were lots of bits that were unnecessary, but a lot of good bits too.

Did anyone else find themselves wondering if Spike really had been responsible for what happened to the poor crazy Slayer?


brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 9:42:28 am PDT #5425 of 10469
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Oh, yeah, there were lots of bits that were unnecessary, but a lot of good bits too.

This is true. And honestly, Angel in the last season was so far from the show we knew that I find it hard to get het up about the effect on the show overall.


Beverly - Oct 08, 2007 12:42:41 pm PDT #5426 of 10469
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I think Spike is like salt. Or bacon. Some people love it, and want it on eggs, salads, sammiches, in dip with crudites, you know, just everywhere, yum.

And other people like it fine, but when there's too much of it you can't taste anything else. I loved Spike as a condiment, occasional and there as a dash of different. When he became a regular, he was much less interesting to me, and he robbed the rest of the ensemble, in whose storylines I was more interested, of screen time and resolution. It was a tossup when he was added to Angel. It necessitated a change in mytharc. Spike fans approved. People who were more interested in other characters and their interactions, not so much. Personally, I don't think Spike enhanced the relationships or the characters on Angel, except for potentially higher ratings, and more Spike. But that's just one opinion.


Sophia Brooks - Oct 08, 2007 1:15:45 pm PDT #5427 of 10469
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Spike fans approved.

Not necessarily true. I was a really big Spike fan-- I wanted them to deal more with the issue of Spike's morality/how he is changed by loving someone/and how beings with souls can be bad and beings without souls could be good. THey did not go there, but I was reasonably happy with how his story ended in sacrifice.

I did not want him on Angel, because to me, that negated his sacrifice.