The saving grace, I think, was that Spike inspired hostility and guilt in Angel, as opposed to the addlebrained rationalization and mooning he evoked from Buffy. I'd much rather listen to Angel bitch someone out than hear Buffy whine the Nth variation of "But he has a soul now!"
All right, yes, date and shop and hang out and go to school and save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, I wanna do girlie stuff!
Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 27, 2007 10:50:01 am PDT #5411 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
P.M. Marc - Sep 28, 2007 7:33:54 am PDT #5412 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
The saving grace, I think, was that Spike inspired hostility and guilt in Angel, as opposed to the addlebrained rationalization and mooning he evoked from Buffy. I'd much rather listen to Angel bitch someone out than hear Buffy whine the Nth variation of "But he has a soul now!"
True, that.
This corner is complaining about Spike not so much taking over Buffy, but continuing to be shoehorned in as a main character after his story had ended. At the very latest, he should have been staked in "Seeing Red." I'm not so sure he really belonged in Angel, and the PTB never really figured out what his story should be, but he didn't seem to create the same imbalance.
And this.
orkhan - Oct 07, 2007 8:21:09 pm PDT #5413 of 10469
Whoa, sorry to just pop-in during the 3rd reel of the movie, but what do you mean Spike didn't belong on Angel? He was one of the very best things about it, hands down.
Dana - Oct 08, 2007 3:44:11 am PDT #5414 of 10469
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
t grabs popcorn
askye - Oct 08, 2007 3:56:50 am PDT #5415 of 10469
Thrive to spite them
orkhan, there are several reasons for this.
One, the WB pretty much told the show runners Spike had to be a regular or the show wasn't going to be continued, which made some people unhappy with the outside influence on the show.( Especially since they cancelled it anyway.) Some people felt this really interfered with the storytelling of the season because Joss & Co weren't free to do whatever they wanted they had to work around the network's demands.
Second, some people weren't happy with the character development of Spike on BtVS and didn't like the character he had become in the later seasons and were fine with his storyline ending.
Jessica - Oct 08, 2007 4:01:09 am PDT #5416 of 10469
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Show Not Called Spike!
(Okay, just had to get that out of my system. Dana, can I have some popcorn?)
Dana - Oct 08, 2007 4:04:52 am PDT #5417 of 10469
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
t passes Jessica the popcorn
brenda m - Oct 08, 2007 4:31:47 am PDT #5418 of 10469
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Second, some people weren't happy with the character development of Spike on BtVS and didn't like the character he had become in the later seasons and were fine with his storyline ending.
And just FTR, some of us were happy with the character on Buffy and were fine with his storyline ending.
JZ - Oct 08, 2007 5:22:47 am PDT #5419 of 10469
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
I'm with brenda, with the caveat that I just finished a rewatch of "Smile Time," and I'm feeling all sorts of warm fuzzies for "You're a wee little puppet man!" and Spike getting the crap beaten out of him while he dissolves in giggles. That scene alone is very nearly all the justification you need for his S5ness.
Connie Neil - Oct 08, 2007 6:02:26 am PDT #5420 of 10469
brillig
And some of us were thrilled to pieces to see Spike show up on Angel and to have more details given on how the two of them have gotten along through the years.
Your Spike-On-Angel May Vary.