I'm just, uh, just feeling kinda... truthsome right now. And, uh... life's just too damn short for ifs and maybes.

Mal ,'Heart Of Gold'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 04, 2007 6:18:16 am PDT #5304 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

A bit, though from bits and pieces I've heard from other people the Angel set did seem to be much less Happy Fun Time all around in the later seasons than during the first couple. And he joined in the middle of what I think of as the series' creative nadir.

On the one hand, I'm not sure a very young actor should come into the late 3rd year of an established show surrounded by more experienced performers and proven creators and expect to have much collaboration regarding his role. But then again, his criticisms of what was wrong with Connor do sort of match my viewing experience.


Vortex - Sep 04, 2007 6:20:32 am PDT #5305 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

On the one hand, I'm not sure a very young actor should come into the late 3rd year of an established show surrounded by more experienced performers and proven creators and expect to have much collaboration regarding his role.

particularly when he admits to not having actually watched the show.

But then again, his criticisms of what was wrong with Connor do sort of match my viewing experience.

can't argue with that.


Strega - Sep 04, 2007 6:48:23 am PDT #5306 of 10469

He's said similar things before, particularly about the character being inconsistent week-to-week. I don't think he realized that was true of most of the other characters, too, but I'm pretty sure that was his first experience as a regular on a series.

I dunno, I love Connor & S4, but I can't imagine it would have been a fun role to play.


Polter-Cow - Sep 04, 2007 6:51:45 am PDT #5307 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It's weird because there's a cute moment in the page-to-screen featurette on the DVDs where he says that the first thing he did when he got the script was to call the writers and tell them it was all shit. And I thought he was joking. Apparently, there was a little truth to it.


Jessica - Sep 04, 2007 6:51:47 am PDT #5308 of 10469
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I dunno, I love Connor & S4, but I can't imagine it would have been a fun role to play.

Yeah...I mean, I'm not thrilled that the actor playing one of my favorite characters was miserable on set, but I also kinda can't blame him.


Sparky1 - Sep 04, 2007 7:16:07 am PDT #5309 of 10469
Librarian Warlord

Does anyone else think that he sounds like an asshole?

It happened for me at his answer to this question:

The Scanner: The writers do a fantastic job depicting the gender politics of that era. Do the scripts ever spark any discussion on set?

Kartheiser: Yeah, there are a lot of women on set who look at their characters’ lives and say, “Why did we ever burn our bras? Things were kinda nice.” . . .


Stephanie - Sep 04, 2007 8:41:01 am PDT #5310 of 10469
Trust my rage

Yeah, I agree with Sparky. I had to read that twice to be sure I got what he was saying.


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2007 8:58:40 am PDT #5311 of 10469
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

That didn't read as assholey to me, because the women are saying that. not him. And the fact the women are saying that is what he finds interesting.


Vortex - Sep 04, 2007 9:03:49 am PDT #5312 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yes, it's nice that your psychiatrist tells your husband about your sessions and calls you a child @@


Sparky1 - Sep 04, 2007 9:07:57 am PDT #5313 of 10469
Librarian Warlord

Hmm, it doesn't read to me that way -- my reading of that whole paragraph is that he's using the "a lot of women" strawman (straw-people) to express what he's actually asserting as his opinion -- that he believes women (and men) were better off with those defined gender roles.