Luke, right, in WttHM?
Yes, his name escaped me, but I knew that someone would know it.
I've seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars.
Willow ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Vortex - Aug 24, 2007 8:49:43 am PDT #5259 of 10469
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
beekaytee - Aug 24, 2007 9:24:35 am PDT #5260 of 10469
Compassionately intolerant
true, but your question was "Who was ugly and hated?" If you want an ugly vamp, I'll give you Dalton in Surprise.
I was responding directly to Marster's comment about Joss' attitude towards vampires, which I attempted to refute. The comment was:
Every character on the show was a version of Joss, but Joss didn't see Spike that way. Spike was the other guy. He was the guy who might mess up the show, actually, because vampires are supposed to be ugly and hated. emphasis mine
It just struck me as an odd comment from an actor who gained 'pretty boy' status from playing a character that Joss wrote.
I'm reading subtext into it that may not be there, but it seems as if JM felt under appreciated for the contribution he brought to what was originally planned as a 'throwaway' character. In the commentaries and interviews I've seen, Joss seemed to actively value Spike's development...aka, Marster's spin on him.
Polter-Cow - Aug 24, 2007 10:01:12 am PDT #5261 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, I'm reading that same sort of subtext too, Beej, and I'm pretty surprised. Joss seemed to love Spike, from what I could tell.
sumi - Aug 24, 2007 10:32:04 am PDT #5262 of 10469
Art Crawl!!!
Well, vampires are ugly when they are being their most demonic in their vampire face rather than their human face - perhaps that is what they meant.
askye - Aug 24, 2007 10:35:09 am PDT #5263 of 10469
Thrive to spite them
I didn't think he was being metaphorical.
Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 24, 2007 10:57:45 am PDT #5264 of 10469
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Bolding mine:
Angel was an exception too, but Angel wasn't Joss' idea and I think by the time I came on, he was afraid that these good-looking vampires were going to take over the theme. So whenever Joss would write an episode, Spike would have, like, five lines. [Laughs]
Like, for example, in "School Hard," "Lie to Me," and "Becoming," in which Spike probably had almost as much dialogue as the show's eponymous lead? Dude, show not named Spike.
I do hope Marti Noxon gets him a regular role on GA though, lessening the chance that he'll guest star and take over in Fonzie-esque fashioncatch on in a show that I watch.
Polter-Cow - Aug 24, 2007 11:00:21 am PDT #5265 of 10469
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Like, for example, in "School Hard," "Lie to Me," and "Becoming," in which Spike probably had almost as much dialogue as the show's eponymous lead? Dude, show not named Spike.
I thought he was referring to when Spike joined Angel.
sumi - Aug 24, 2007 11:02:23 am PDT #5266 of 10469
Art Crawl!!!
He has a recurring role now. Not on GA.
joe boucher - Aug 24, 2007 11:33:33 am PDT #5267 of 10469
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine
Dude, show not named Spike.
I wish I could block the memory of the last two or three seasons as well as you have, Matt.
P.M. Marc - Aug 24, 2007 11:44:17 am PDT #5268 of 10469
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Didn't we rename the spoiler thread Show Called Angel! after Buffy went off the air? Good times, good times.