Some wacky ending pulled out of the air (or ass) that neatly ties up the story
A wacky ending doesn't quite fit, though, with everyone finding out they'd pulled Buffy out of heaven and Tara finding out Willow's been playing with her mind.
Gunn: We open a can of Machiavelli on his ass. Harmony: It's Matchabelli, Einstein, and it doesn't come in a can.
'Soul Purpose'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Connie Neil - Apr 29, 2005 8:32:17 am PDT #472 of 10457
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Jon B. - Apr 29, 2005 8:34:55 am PDT #473 of 10457
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I'm impressed.
Thanks, but I didn't make that up. Someone else here suggested it at the time.
If I'd wanted "just" a musical
I agree that BtVS is best when it subverts the genre, not plays into it, but then the asspull didn't bother me as much as it seems to have bothered others.
Trudy Booth - Apr 29, 2005 9:41:29 am PDT #474 of 10457
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Isn't that a common trope in musicals though? Some wacky ending pulled out of the air (or ass) that neatly ties up the story? I've always thought Joss was giving a tip-o-the-hat to that trope.
That's what I've always thought too. A little poorly executed deus-ex-machina as good fun.
Una - Apr 29, 2005 10:09:34 am PDT #475 of 10457
when i die, please bake my ashes into a brick and use me to hit fascists.
The asspull bothers me because Xander spends so much of the early parts of the episode being seriously disturbed by the singing.
And yet I am large with the OMWF lurve.
libkitty - Apr 29, 2005 11:17:48 am PDT #476 of 10457
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
It took me a minute with all the cut talk. I have the CD and have watched OMWF many times on DVD, and it always felt off, but in a good way. And yet, never until now did I realize that there had been cuts in the broadcast version. Stoopid networks. We need the whole thing! I lurve me some DVD OMWF, even with the ending. Really, it's kind of amazing that there is as much internal consistency as there is. I didn't expect as much as we got, even from Joss.
Connie Neil - Apr 29, 2005 11:21:45 am PDT #477 of 10457
brillig
I'm listening to OMWF myself, "Standing," and I'm still going, "No, Giles, you're an idiot to leave!"
Now to listen to ASH and AB voices do that neat thing together.
libkitty - Apr 29, 2005 11:31:07 am PDT #478 of 10457
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Aw. I may have to dig out the CD now. I think I have it at work.
Cashmere - Apr 29, 2005 11:31:10 am PDT #479 of 10457
Now tagless for your comfort.
Now to listen to ASH and AB voices do that neat thing together.
That's one of my favorite parts, too.
Honestly, even the Xander Asspull doesn't bug me too much. When I think of the episode as a whole, I get shivery feelings and am in awe of how well it was put together.
Connie Neil - Apr 29, 2005 11:35:40 am PDT #480 of 10457
brillig
And I hear the Coda, where Buffy and Spike clinch, and in a proper musical you'd go, "Oh, how wonderful"--but a Buffy fan goes, "Well, we know how that ends, don't we?"
I think I'll just let the curtain in my head close.
brenda m - Apr 29, 2005 12:06:17 pm PDT #481 of 10457
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
And yet, never until now did I realize that there had been cuts in the broadcast version. Stoopid networks.
They did allow the initial broadcast to run over by almost ten minutes, so props for that at least.