I think Kirsten's a much better mother, and to keep it in the family, Julie's one of the worst. But unlike most of the worsts -- she's meant to be.
Ma Kent's a decent mom...I'm blanking on all mothers, now.
How did your brain even learn human speech? I'm just so curious.
Wash ,'Objects In Space'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - Apr 08, 2005 9:33:10 am PDT #348 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Lyra Jane - Apr 08, 2005 9:37:12 am PDT #349 of 10457
Up with the sun
The only problem with nominating Kirsten is that Seth, though he is witty and charming and adorable, was miserable and badly adjusted for most of his adolescence. I recognize not everything is mom and dad's fault, but it does seem like she and Sandy had been letting that slide more than they maybe should have.
Julie is a terrible mom but an excellent TV character.
§ ita § - Apr 08, 2005 9:39:04 am PDT #350 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But Seth's funny! Doesn't that trump all???
I guess I see Seth as messed up despite his family, the same way Ryan is dreamy despite his.
Also, I love Kirsten.
Jessica - Apr 08, 2005 9:40:13 am PDT #351 of 10457
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
though he is witty and charming and adorable, was miserable and badly adjusted for most of his adolescence
Wasn't everyone though? If having a miserable adolescence can be blamed on bad parenting, then there are no good parents.
Lyra Jane - Apr 08, 2005 10:16:22 am PDT #352 of 10457
Up with the sun
If having a miserable adolescence can be blamed on bad parenting, then there are no good parents.
I'm not saying Kirsten was a bad parent. At all -- from what we've seen, she's a pretty good one. But if we're evaluating someone's parenting, looking at how their kids turned out doesn't strike me as being completely beside the point. I think ita's evaluation of Seth as messed up despite his parents is probably accurate, but it's worth asking the question.
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 08, 2005 12:21:39 pm PDT #353 of 10457
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'd nominate Lois for the 2000s best mom, because most parents would have started drowning their children based on what she's had to face.
DebetEsse - Apr 08, 2005 12:27:42 pm PDT #354 of 10457
Woe to the fucking wicked.
If you're looking at dimensional parents, Helen on Joan of Arcadia is pretty good.
I thinking putting Lorelai as the best of the 2000s is a little...pessimistic wrt parents. I would be really uncomfortable with a mother looking up to her as a role model, especially as I don't think her tactic would have worked nearly so well with at least 80% of kids.
I like Kirsten and Sandy, though I don't feel like I have any idea of what kind of parents they were for most of Seth's life, which is a little weird. I just get the sense that their parenting has evolved more than most.
erikaj - Apr 08, 2005 12:28:55 pm PDT #355 of 10457
Always Anti-fascist!
Yeah, Lois is a tough chick. And she knows what it's like to have money problems and rubber checks all over town. My mom didn't quite wear her Stress Face all the time, but it looks like that, when she does.
Vortex - Apr 08, 2005 12:29:27 pm PDT #356 of 10457
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I think that Lorelai gets a lot of credit for the way Rory turned out, but a lot of that is just Rory's personality.
Topic!Cindy - Apr 08, 2005 1:33:22 pm PDT #357 of 10457
What is even happening?
If you're looking at dimensional parents, Helen on Joan of Arcadia is pretty good.
I agree.