Tucker has issues with the Brady Bunch, overall. I'd have to take a look at the book again to remember what they were, but he devoted a whole column, instead of just one paragraph in the Worst Moms column, to the Bradys.
Giles, if you would like to get by in American society, then you are going to have to follow our traditions. You're the patriarch. You have to host the festivities, or it's all meaningless.
Buffy ,'Sleeper'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Kathy A - Apr 08, 2005 9:01:00 am PDT #343 of 10457
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
P.M. Marc - Apr 08, 2005 9:11:04 am PDT #344 of 10457
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
BtVS gave viewers the only believable treatment of sex in modern life, as opposed to the giggly teenage view most other shows provide.
So, sex is bad, then?
Also, works better than a gorilla bar for wrecking houses?
§ ita § - Apr 08, 2005 9:14:01 am PDT #345 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, sex is more complicated than the de rigeur pregnancy scare.
bon bon - Apr 08, 2005 9:19:40 am PDT #346 of 10457
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Yeah, sometimes you get freaky just because you were snatched out of paradise.
Lyra Jane - Apr 08, 2005 9:31:15 am PDT #347 of 10457
Up with the sun
From my limited Gilmore Girls knowledge, I agree Lorelai can be too co-dependent, but I think she did a pretty good job for a teenager with little family support. I'm not sure who I'd nominate as a better mom on TV now, though. Maybe Kirsten Cohen.
And I would love to know what Tucker's Brady Bunch issues are.
§ ita § - Apr 08, 2005 9:33:10 am PDT #348 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think Kirsten's a much better mother, and to keep it in the family, Julie's one of the worst. But unlike most of the worsts -- she's meant to be.
Ma Kent's a decent mom...I'm blanking on all mothers, now.
Lyra Jane - Apr 08, 2005 9:37:12 am PDT #349 of 10457
Up with the sun
The only problem with nominating Kirsten is that Seth, though he is witty and charming and adorable, was miserable and badly adjusted for most of his adolescence. I recognize not everything is mom and dad's fault, but it does seem like she and Sandy had been letting that slide more than they maybe should have.
Julie is a terrible mom but an excellent TV character.
§ ita § - Apr 08, 2005 9:39:04 am PDT #350 of 10457
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But Seth's funny! Doesn't that trump all???
I guess I see Seth as messed up despite his family, the same way Ryan is dreamy despite his.
Also, I love Kirsten.
Jessica - Apr 08, 2005 9:40:13 am PDT #351 of 10457
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
though he is witty and charming and adorable, was miserable and badly adjusted for most of his adolescence
Wasn't everyone though? If having a miserable adolescence can be blamed on bad parenting, then there are no good parents.
Lyra Jane - Apr 08, 2005 10:16:22 am PDT #352 of 10457
Up with the sun
If having a miserable adolescence can be blamed on bad parenting, then there are no good parents.
I'm not saying Kirsten was a bad parent. At all -- from what we've seen, she's a pretty good one. But if we're evaluating someone's parenting, looking at how their kids turned out doesn't strike me as being completely beside the point. I think ita's evaluation of Seth as messed up despite his parents is probably accurate, but it's worth asking the question.