At first I assumed it was when she ascended. Then I assumed it was when Skip demonized her. But I think this makes more sense. First, the demonization was her choice, when in You're Welcome her comments make it sound like it wasn't. Then, I don't think it was until about this point that she really started acting like not!Cordy. She could have been taken over at the ascencion. That might work even better, except if she was taken over at The Price, then St. Cordy was not!Cordy, which makes me all sorts of happy.
Willow: Yes. Hi. You must be Angel's handsome, yet androgynous, son. Connor: It's Connor. Willow: And the sneer's genetic. Who knew?
'A Hole in the World'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
libkitty - Jul 09, 2006 9:11:01 pm PDT #3221 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Polter-Cow - Jul 09, 2006 9:41:52 pm PDT #3222 of 10464
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
You don't think Holtz described him in great detail over the years?
I wonder what he said. Hee. I don't know how quickly I could recognize someone just based on physical descriptions. Did Connor expect to run into Angel after punching a hole through dimensions?
Eh. Television.
libkitty - Jul 09, 2006 9:59:42 pm PDT #3223 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Did Connor expect to run into Angel after punching a hole through dimensions?
I think he knew where he was landing. That's my handwave, anyway, and I'm sticking to it. I don't even want to think about how he would know that they would be there upon his arrival.
On the other hand, Angel just "knew" Connor. Maybe Connor "knew" Angel as well.
Strega - Jul 10, 2006 12:29:04 am PDT #3224 of 10464
Did Connor expect to run into Angel after punching a hole through dimensions?
Yes. He wasn't trying to escape Quortoth, and just coincidentally wound up in the Hyperion. He was trying to get to Angel, period. That's what he used the sluks to do.
The Price:
Fred: "We have to flee. It brings pain. Such pain."
Lorne: "It? What happened to we? What's with the pronoun switcheroo?"
Angel: "What are you fleeing from?"
Fred: "The bringer of torment. Agony. Death. The destroyer."
Cordy: "Oh, that is just not the name you wanna hear."
Angel: "Why is this destroyer after you?"
Fred: "It's not. It's coming after you, Angel."
Benediction:
Connor: "The cracks were there already. I just made the sluks show me, that's all."
Holtz: "Frightened rats, forced to flee to daylight. My boy's smart."
Connor: "You shouldn't have followed me here."
Holtz: "How could I not?"
Connor: "I would have come back to you, after I killed him.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 10, 2006 6:06:10 am PDT #3225 of 10464
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I think Cordy's demonization was when Jasmine began to get its hooks into her (with a free-willed choice on her part to become a demon hybrid thanks to Skip's It's a Wonderful Life mindgames), but she was still essentially in the driver's seat with gradually increasing outside influence until the end of "Tomorrow." What came back in early Season 4 was Jasmine wearing a Cordy suit.
sj - Jul 10, 2006 6:54:53 am PDT #3226 of 10464
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I thought Jasmine didn't fully have her hooks in Cordy until Lorne tried to get her memory back for her (don't remember the name of the episode)?
P.M. Marc - Jul 10, 2006 7:02:53 am PDT #3227 of 10464
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I thought Jasmine didn't fully have her hooks in Cordy until Lorne tried to get her memory back for her (don't remember the name of the episode)?
Slouching Toward Bethlehem, IIRC.
Polter-Cow - Jul 10, 2006 7:34:41 am PDT #3228 of 10464
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
He was trying to get to Angel, period. That's what he used the sluks to do.
Aha, thanks. My DVDs are packed in boxes.
Dana - Jul 10, 2006 7:44:58 am PDT #3229 of 10464
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
And apropos-ishly, an interesting LJ post about Cordelia and characterization problems in season 3.
libkitty - Jul 10, 2006 9:56:04 pm PDT #3230 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
I'm on S4 now. It turns out I'm more confused rather than less. Still, I liked my silly dream better because it let me handwave St. Cordy, and that means a lot.
Also, that's a nice article Dana. Thanks for sharing.