Yeah, Angel offed at least a dozen prospective minions, but I suspect it was all in the name of having dramatic BEHOLD MY PAIN AND DESPAIR moments.
edit: Cindy, that was "Reunion," the previous episode.
I seen you without your clothes on before. Never thought I'd see you naked.
Mal ,'Trash'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 07, 2006 6:01:25 am PDT #3145 of 10464
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Frankenbuddha - Jul 07, 2006 6:03:49 am PDT #3146 of 10464
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
"Redifinition" is also the one where Angel never says a word to another character. There's a voiceover, but he never talks to anyone (not even Merle when he's dunking him).
Topic!Cindy - Jul 07, 2006 7:29:12 am PDT #3147 of 10464
What is even happening?
I loved that season 'til we ended up in Pylea (which just cheapened it for me, somehow).
JZ - Jul 07, 2006 7:33:50 am PDT #3148 of 10464
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.
I loved that season 'til we ended up in Pylea (which just cheapened it for me, somehow).
It was worth it to me for Fred and her bag of blood, and for that wonderful moment when Angel throws open his arms and delights in the sunshine. No magic rings, no hoodoo of any sort, not a dream, just out in the open air leaning against a convertible with the sun on his face.
Plus, watching the Pylea sequence with a bunch of snarky Faire geeks didn't hurt.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 07, 2006 7:37:53 am PDT #3149 of 10464
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Also, I'm not sure how else we could have gotten Joss as Numfar w/out Pylea.
I'm just p.o.ed that they never followed up on any of it, especially the Wolf, Ram and Hart books.
Polter-Cow - Jul 07, 2006 7:47:13 am PDT #3150 of 10464
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, Frank, I remember being blown away by that when I first saw that, all, "Holy crap. Did they think of that when they came up with the name and just waited for the right time to use it? Wow."
I don't particularly think they needed to follow up on it, per se; I just saw it as an indicator that Wolfram and Hart, as an entity and metaphor, was pandimensional.
Hayden - Jul 07, 2006 7:58:38 am PDT #3151 of 10464
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."
I thought the Wolf, Ram, and Hart revelation was going to turn into a larger issue about the nature of that particular evil, which is what I think Frank is saying.
§ ita § - Jul 07, 2006 8:01:12 am PDT #3152 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
loved that season 'til we ended up in Pylea (which just cheapened it for me, somehow).
It was worth it to me for Fred and her bag of blood
Fred has never been more glorious than that moment, but it shouldn't have been in that season 2. Thematically inconsistent. Also, as a whole, pretty hokey. I'd grimace at giving up the bag of blood, but happily toss Numfar to the wolves to get a seamless S2.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 07, 2006 8:05:40 am PDT #3153 of 10464
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I'd grimace at giving up the bag of blood, but happily toss Numfar to the wolves to get a seamless S2.
Aw. No love for the rams and harts? Poor rams and harts.
§ ita § - Jul 07, 2006 8:10:17 am PDT #3154 of 10464
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
No love for the rams and harts? Poor rams and harts.
Not enough payoff. The rest of S2 was nice and twisty and connected and dark. Even with the darker tones and implications, Pylea was badly timed slapstick in comparison.