Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


ChiKat - Jun 21, 2006 8:40:26 am PDT #3052 of 10661
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Aww...poor Dawnie. 13 Memorably Unpopular Characters from Popular TV.

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Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 21, 2006 8:47:37 am PDT #3053 of 10661
You have to remember that being a 5-time Olympic medalist means Hilary Knight has been playing hockey at an elite level at least 16 years. It's impossible for her to be a teenage girl less than 16 years old, thus the President's complete lack of interest.

Wow! She beat out everyone but Cousin Oliver and Scrappy Doo on a list that includes Barney, Wesley Crusher, and Urkel—that's some power hating going on.


bon bon - Jun 21, 2006 9:10:59 am PDT #3054 of 10661
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Elmo deserves to be on that list. On the other hand, knowing that Scrappy is the villian of the live-action movie makes me kind of want to see that.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 21, 2006 9:20:39 am PDT #3055 of 10661
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Elmo deserves to be on that list.

Bears repeating.

Also, I think Livia Soprano is a dead tip-off that someone's working their personal issues into that list.


Atropa - Jun 21, 2006 9:26:58 am PDT #3056 of 10661
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

I still don't feel strong enough to rewatch, and this is me being within an hour's drive of visiting both my still-living parents. I can't even imagine how hard the episode hits someone who's lost one or both.

Huh, look at that. Matt is me.

I don't think I will ever be able to re-watch "The Body". It's an amazing episode, but ... no. Just no.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 21, 2006 9:27:02 am PDT #3057 of 10661
You have to remember that being a 5-time Olympic medalist means Hilary Knight has been playing hockey at an elite level at least 16 years. It's impossible for her to be a teenage girl less than 16 years old, thus the President's complete lack of interest.

Also, I think Livia Soprano is a dead tip-off that someone's working their personal issues into that list.

Her and the James Dean-alike from Twin Peaks whose very existence I'd forgotten entirely for almost two decades until reminded by the article.


sumi - Jun 21, 2006 9:33:40 am PDT #3058 of 10661
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, I don't remember the guy from Twin Peaks as being a hated character.

Of course, I don't remember discussing Twin Peaks with people either.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 21, 2006 9:36:19 am PDT #3059 of 10661
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Her and the James Dean-alike from Twin Peaks whose very existence I'd forgotten entirely for almost two decades until reminded by the article.

Yeah, I thought he was an odd choice too - bland tends to inspire indifference or mild annoyance, not burning hatred. But Livia really pinged me because what the writer was saying that brought the hatred was why people LOVED to hate her (with an added dose of "I didn't think she had it in her" if you'd seen her in the LOU GRANT era).


Fred Pete - Jun 21, 2006 10:06:40 am PDT #3060 of 10661
Ann, that's a ferret.

But Livia really pinged me because what the writer was saying that brought the hatred was why people LOVED to hate her.

Haven't seen Sopranos, but that's why Livia stood out for me, too. You were supposed to hate her. Which means that, unlike the rest, they succeeded in creating the character they intended.

To a degree, the same with Dawn. She was a very successful character in S5. The problem was, there wasn't a whole lot to do with her in S6 and S7.

As opposed to blunders like, say, Cousin Oliver. Who the audience was supposed to like and, to put it mildly, didn't.


libkitty - Jun 21, 2006 11:06:18 am PDT #3061 of 10661
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

She was a very successful character in S5.

Successful maybe, but still annoying. It was an interesting way to add a character, and the character played an important role, but I still dislike Dawn in most eps.