Yeah, I don't remember the guy from Twin Peaks as being a hated character.
Of course, I don't remember discussing Twin Peaks with people either.
Anya, the Shopkeepers of America called. They wanted me to tell you that 'please go' just got replaced with 'have a nice day.'
Xander ,'Selfless'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
sumi - Jun 21, 2006 9:33:40 am PDT #3058 of 10464
Art Crawl!!!
Frankenbuddha - Jun 21, 2006 9:36:19 am PDT #3059 of 10464
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Her and the James Dean-alike from Twin Peaks whose very existence I'd forgotten entirely for almost two decades until reminded by the article.
Yeah, I thought he was an odd choice too - bland tends to inspire indifference or mild annoyance, not burning hatred. But Livia really pinged me because what the writer was saying that brought the hatred was why people LOVED to hate her (with an added dose of "I didn't think she had it in her" if you'd seen her in the LOU GRANT era).
Fred Pete - Jun 21, 2006 10:06:40 am PDT #3060 of 10464
Ann, that's a ferret.
But Livia really pinged me because what the writer was saying that brought the hatred was why people LOVED to hate her.
Haven't seen Sopranos, but that's why Livia stood out for me, too. You were supposed to hate her. Which means that, unlike the rest, they succeeded in creating the character they intended.
To a degree, the same with Dawn. She was a very successful character in S5. The problem was, there wasn't a whole lot to do with her in S6 and S7.
As opposed to blunders like, say, Cousin Oliver. Who the audience was supposed to like and, to put it mildly, didn't.
libkitty - Jun 21, 2006 11:06:18 am PDT #3061 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
She was a very successful character in S5.
Successful maybe, but still annoying. It was an interesting way to add a character, and the character played an important role, but I still dislike Dawn in most eps.
Vortex - Jun 21, 2006 11:19:28 am PDT #3062 of 10464
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
But that didn't stop her from being an intolerably shrill, whiny, manipulative, troublemaking little McGuffin for most of the rest of the series.
I love this. And if she had died or been reKeyed at the end of the season, that would have been fine. But, she stayed around and got the hell on my nerves. Of course my hatred of her helped me not notice that season 6 was sucking so badly, so I guess that she served a purpose.
libkitty - Jun 21, 2006 11:20:56 am PDT #3063 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
Of course my hatred of her helped me not notice that season 6 was sucking so badly, so I guess that she served a purpose.
I always thought she was one of the reasons for the suckiness.
Vortex - Jun 21, 2006 11:21:57 am PDT #3064 of 10464
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
well, yes. but she wasn't the only one.
libkitty - Jun 21, 2006 11:23:15 am PDT #3065 of 10464
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs
I'll grant you that.
-t - Jun 21, 2006 1:38:25 pm PDT #3066 of 10464
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I don't remember discussing Twin Peaks with people either.
Oh, I did. Endlessly. But not that character - he was pretty bland and boring, but not hated.
Maybe we just weren't meta-aware enough.
Livia didn't get old for me, either. And I'm pretty damn fond of Al Swearengen.
DavidS - Jun 21, 2006 4:52:11 pm PDT #3067 of 10464
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I feel bad because if you read the scripts they did spend some time developing Dawn into a more interesting, mordant character, but her lines kept getting cut.
Also feel bad for Will Wheaton and Robbie Rist (a significant musician in LA's pop scene for yars), since they both went on to become interesting, thoughtful, creative adults.