I never got the impression that the Watchers would intervene to save a Slayer who was failing the test.
They have no use for her, after all. Buffy should pass, because she's good.
Don't I get a cookie?
Spike ,'Never Leave Me'
Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!
Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.
§ ita § - Dec 21, 2005 12:08:40 pm PST #2627 of 10459
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jars - Dec 22, 2005 4:16:34 am PST #2628 of 10459
I think Buffy had every right to feel betrayed by Giles. Much moreso than any other Slayer, such as Kendra, might. Yes, it's a test, and the Slayer/Watcher dynamic is a warrior-culture type thing, but Buffy never had that. She treated Giles as a father figure, and he never stopped her. He's as much to blame for their relationship as she is. More, in fact, as he's the teacher, the leader.
Also, I've always kind of agreed with Xander on the Kick His Ass bit.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 22, 2005 6:48:55 am PST #2629 of 10459
What is even happening?
I never got the impression that the Watchers would intervene to save a Slayer who was failing the test.
They have no use for her, after all. Buffy should pass, because she's good.
Agreed, but I always read Giles as having that impression, at least until it all went to hell.
Vortex - Dec 22, 2005 9:43:21 am PST #2630 of 10459
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I think that giles always had misgivings about what he was doing. After he administered the adrenaline suppressor, he couldn't look her in the eye.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 23, 2005 1:52:01 am PST #2631 of 10459
What is even happening?
Oh, yes. I think so too, Vortex. I think he knew he was betraying their relationship and her trust in him. I just think the CoW probably kept him in the dark as to the underlying, dark purpose of the cruciamentum which is to kill off an ineffective slayer, which clears the field, allowing for a new one to be called.
Anne W. - Dec 23, 2005 1:53:26 am PST #2632 of 10459
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I just think the CoW probably kept him in the dark as to the underlying, dark purpose of the cruciamentum which is to kill off an ineffective slayer, which clears the field, allowing for a new one to be called.
That's the impression I got as well.
Topic!Cindy - Dec 26, 2005 4:13:23 pm PST #2633 of 10459
What is even happening?
Vincent Schiavelli, the character actor who played Jenny Calendar's Uncle Enyos in Surprise and Innocence died today, at his home in Sicily. [link]
Cashmere - Dec 27, 2005 4:26:04 pm PST #2634 of 10459
Now tagless for your comfort.
I watched Smile Time this morning for the first time in a long while. I have to admit, it's probably taken its place as my favorite episode of Angel.
Connie Neil - Dec 27, 2005 4:44:35 pm PST #2635 of 10459
brillig
It was the first ep I watched when I got my S5 DVDs. Sometimes when I'm feeling grumpy I'll watch it and sing along to the self-esteem song.
Cashmere - Dec 27, 2005 4:46:33 pm PST #2636 of 10459
Now tagless for your comfort.
The line "I'm gonna tear you a new puppet hole, Bitch" just makes me laugh and laugh. Sometimes, thinking of it is the only thing that gets me through the million episodes of Sesame Street I have to watch every week.